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How to fix a sagging backend?

07Custom

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Hey guys, I've been looking at my truck and notice that the back end is sagging a bit. I have researched and have come across a ton of different options. But I'm no professional, and you all are pretty knowledgeable with these kinds of things so I was hoping someone had a proven method they can offer me along with names/brands of the parts I'll be needing. Is my back end sagging enough to warrant raising it?And is this an easy job to do myself? Thanks guys.


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cgalpha08

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If i remember correctly, your front end has a spring over design, and your rear is spring under. (Correct me if im wrong) therefore i would take your rear leaves and put them on top of the axle. As to the difficulty of this job, idk haha

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Scarsman

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Well, squats and lunges are good for, oh, wait! Your truck! Right! ;) Sorry, couldn't help it!

From that picture, I would want to do something with it if it was mine. There are lots of ways to do it. First thing I would make sure of is that t-bars aren't cranked too far.

Looks liked you have a lift. Are the rear springs stock? You can add helper springs or air bags to raise it up. You could get your springs re-arced, and you could make a custom leaf stack, adding some leafs to lift and still ride good. I'm pretty sure there are some H3 people here who have built custom stacks for their trucks.

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I didn't realize you had a solid front! Nevermind me then!
 
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07Custom

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I have no idea if my shackles are stock or not. Would those shackles help me out or is it a possibility only. I do know that I have Atlas leaf springs up front, not sure about the back. Is a soa conversion something I can do myself? I'm sure it's not as simple as bolt off bolt on.
 

cgalpha08

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You can do it yourself, you have to relocate the mounting plate to the top of the axle which does require some welding i believe

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alrock

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You might want to ready through Bebe's thread as I think she talks about the SOA that she did and it added huge amount of height before they made other adjustments. I think you'll have to do a fair amount of work to make it right.

Was the back end sagging before or is this a newer development? Before you fix the problem it would be good to identify what the problem is. If the rear springs are worn then doing a SOA conversion is a short term fix and you still have worn springs. Are the leafs nearly flat or is there a good arch to them still? At the rear where they go into the shackle are they flat, or bent slightly to match the shape of the spring (good) or are they bent the opposite of the curve of the springs? (bad).

I believe a SOA will raise the rear end several inches, perhaps more than you want. I would look to see if there are problems first and then address those, then check the front end to see if the design is set at the ride height you want. If the front is higher than you want and it can be adjusted, that might be your fix.
 
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Deaver custom leaf springs like 06H3 had made. Check out his build thread. They will custom make any leaf spring you want and compensate for any ride quality too. I'm sure he would give you more info if you asked him.

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07Custom

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You might want to ready through Bebe's thread as I think she talks about the SOA that she did and it added huge amount of height before they made other adjustments. I think you'll have to do a fair amount of work to make it right.

Was the back end sagging before or is this a newer development? Before you fix the problem it would be good to identify what the problem is. If the rear springs are worn then doing a SOA conversion is a short term fix and you still have worn springs. Are the leafs nearly flat or is there a good arch to them still? At the rear where they go into the shackle are they flat, or bent slightly to match the shape of the spring (good) or are they bent the opposite of the curve of the springs? (bad).

I believe a SOA will raise the rear end several inches, perhaps more than you want. I would look to see if there are problems first and then address those, then check the front end to see if the design is set at the ride height you want. If the front is higher than you want and it can be adjusted, that might be your fix.

Awesome advice. Now I know what to look for the next time. It's been like this since I've owned it. Where they attach to the shackles they are bent slightly the opposite way of the curve of the spring! So it's definitely bad springs, or at least worn springs. I read through her thread where it was posted at pirate4x4 and it looks complicated lol I think I am going to try to replace the leafs and see what happens. Maybe extended shackles too.
 

alrock

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I read through her thread where it was posted at pirate4x4 and it looks complicated lol I think I am going to try to replace the leafs and see what happens. Maybe extended shackles too.
With your custom rig I would look at custom springs, whether the Deavers mentioned above or finding a good local shop that can do custom springs. You may need to get some more height, or have it carry more weight, to match your ride. I suspect custom ones will be about the same price as OEMs but then your ride will be set up the way you want.
 

06 H3

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How much lift do u have compared to stock? I plan on doing a spring over and would sell you my deavers...
How much weight do u carry in the rear?

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07Custom

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How much lift do u have compared to stock? I plan on doing a spring over and would sell you my deavers...
How much weight do u carry in the rear?

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This is probably quite sad, but I have no idea how much higher I am than stock. Sorry, but if there's a way to tell let me know. I wish it was as easy as a body lift where you just measure the lift blocks! And as for weight, excess weight, I don't tow anything and NEVER bog it down with stuff in the back so it's just the vehicle weight.
 

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Dang it I saw this thread too late. I already had a couple of beers with the bbq and had some funny comments!!!!
 

07Custom

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Believe me man, I have my BS in Exercise Science and am the Physiologist at a hospital....I had many lame/funny comments myself. Just didn't know how welcome they would be!!! haha
 

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How much lift do u have compared to stock? I plan on doing a spring over and would sell you my deavers...
How much weight do u carry in the rear?

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Hey Chris, PM me first when that time comes if you don't mind! :cheers:

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MaxPF

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SOA will increase the ride height by the spring pack thickness + axle tube diameter + old perch height + new perch height. It will probably be around 4-1/2" to 5". SOA is always a good mod, since it increases under-axle clearance. If the resulting lift is too much, a shorter shackle can be used (no shorter than stock though), andd/or leaves can be removed from the pack.

If you remove leaves, DO NOT remove the overload, as doing so will cause serious spring wrap issues unless you add some other axle wrap control. Don't eliminate the leaf guides either. I will probably do a write-up on leaf spring pack mods here in a few days since I'm working on that very thing right now. Keep in mind that fewer leaves reduces the overall rate of the spring, which means that a given amount of load or tongue weight will sag the ass end more than would be the case with a full pack. On the flip side, it will have a softer ride.

If you do an SOA and need a pack with less lift but you want the same spring rate, then you are going to need a custom pack (or build one from donor packs). If you are planning on getting new custom springs anyway, I would definitely do the SOA. You shouldn't even need to remove the old perch from the bottom of the tubes - just get two new perches and weld them on after you set your pinion angle, and add a couple shock mounts. Any fab shop should be able to do this if you can't do it yourself. For a given ride height, SOA will always have less arch in the spring than an equivalent height SUA, which is ALWAYS beneficial.
 

Xlr8n

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Less arch means less movement and friction between the leafs, but more importantly you get a much more compliant ride. The more arch in an overall springpack, the more force it takes to flex it. You get good lift with a high arch spring, but it will usually ride like a grain cart.
 
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