Gun confiscation... Posible or Not???

[ArtHummer]

Went to my brothers over this weekend for some family get-together. He showed me his new shotgun that he got, so naturally the conversation went further about gun control. Although my brothers eyes are opening up, but he is very stubborn and at moments naive.(He wanted to vote for the Obama in 2008... :shame.
So, I start talking about where it all goes and that it could end up with total gun ban and full confiscation of firearms. He started to lough and sad that "this will never happen here in US" if that will happen people will fight back and that's why government is afraid and will NEVER attempt to do it. Government will not go against 2nd amendment. And we got in to the argument because of it.

To make my point I told him to look at this video and to finish the conversation after.
[video=youtube_share;FyfkQkchlu4]http://youtu.be/FyfkQkchlu4[/video]


So my question is. What do you think? Should that be on our minds or not? Are there anyone who still believe in our government give a damn about bill of rights?


P.S. This poster was in the gun store.

 

[Gunner_45]

Ask an Australian about gun confiscation.

 

[Kyle]

its not possible, if the government started taking guns "under the ruse of preventing war" that in it self would cause a war. i dont think we have much to worry about as far as guns going bye bye completely, i think we need to worry about people who dont properly store there guns and about mentally unstable people getting firearms.

 

[abearden]

Possibly? Yes. Likely right now? No. They will try it if they think they can. It will be messy and somber.

Kyle, why is it the government's business how guns are stored? If they're stolen, it's really no different than having baseball bats, kitchen knives, and automobiles stolen: a property crime. Guns aren't special.

And when you start letting them decide who's mentally unstable, you'll find they add more to the list than you'd expect.

 

[Expendable]

its not possible, if the government started taking guns "under the ruse of preventing war" that in it self would cause a war. i dont think we have much to worry about as far as guns going bye bye completely, i think we need to worry about people who dont properly store there guns and about mentally unstable people getting firearms.

history says it is possible.

but what is mentally unstable? and if we start blaming it on being mentally unstable someone can rely on that if they want to commit a crime, oh wait people already abuse that to get lesser sentences in crimes they have committed.

 

[3Hummers]

Not likely anytime soon but assault weapons bans and magazine size restrictions were unthinkable 30 years ago. This is a game of inches and time. The anti-gunners, like the liberals on many issues have taken a very long term approach to these things. They take a little here and a little there. When people get accustomed to the "new norm" they move the bar a little more. You seldom get rights back once they have been lost. Having the former assualt weapons ban not get renewed was a gift. If you think any new ban will have a sunset clause in it you are high on something. That is why I support any organization that fights any encroachment on our rights, Cumulatively all these "little" measures have gotten us to where we are today.

 

[Kyle]

history says it is possible.

but what is mentally unstable? and if we start blaming it on being mentally unstable someone can rely on that if they want to commit a crime, oh wait people already abuse that to get lesser sentences in crimes they have committed.

Thats my point, if we start really looking into people before they buy a gun we would know if there really mentally unstable or not! There are many cases of people claiming there mental insanity and getting a shorter sentence, when in reality there perfectly normal and should be given a heavier sentence, and if someone isn't mentally stable in the first place, they should be aloud to own a gun. Also abearden, im looking at it from the stand point of recent shooting, sandy hook for example, if that guys mom locked up her guns and didnt have them laying around the house loaded, i bet that shooting wouldn't have occurred.

 

[f5moab]

Not likely anytime soon but assault weapons bans and magazine size restrictions were unthinkable 30 years ago. This is a game of inches and time. The anti-gunners, like the liberals on many issues have taken a very long term approach to these things. They take a little here and a little there. When people get accustomed to the "new norm" they move the bar a little more. You seldom get rights back once they have been lost. Having the former assualt weapons ban not get renewed was a gift. If you think any new ban will have a sunset clause in it you are high on something. That is why I support any organization that fights any encroachment on our rights, Cumulatively all these "little" measures have gotten us to where we are today.

I'll agree with Dave and with conviction, state that gun confiscation WILL NEVER occur while I'm alive and kicking.

But if President Coward gets to elect one new judge to the supreme court that replaced one conservative or Kennedy, the US is screwed sometime in the future.

 

[abearden]

Also abearden, im looking at it from the stand point of recent shooting, sandy hook for example, if that guys mom locked up her guns and didnt have them laying around the house loaded, i bet that shooting wouldn't have occurred.

Doesn't matter how you lock them up, 30 minutes with a saw and a crowbar will free them. I don't think that would have stopped him.

 

[Kyle]

30mins and a crowbar to break into a good gun safe? No i dont think thats possible at all


Sent from the top of a mountain in my h3

 

[3Hummers]

If the gun safe isn't bolted to the floor in a secure manner many of the less expensive, and by that I mean up 0-$2500.00+ safes are not as hard to get into as many people think. Tip one over on it's back, get a 6 foot pry bar and in 30 minutes many of the "lesser" safes can be compromised. Mine are held down by significant concrete anchor bolts. Given enough time almost any secure storage system can be compromised.

 

[Paladine71]

Yes, possible. There is a reason that they've been training our children in public schools that any mention of a gun is an offense worth of expulsion. They will chip away at it now, but our children are the real target. I read the other day that a boy got into trouble for eating a pop tart into the vague shape of a gun. If they convince our kids that guns are evil and the world will be better without them, in sufficient numbers, they can then turn those numbers against extremists like us. This happened not too long ago in Britain and Australia. It can happen here.

 

[3Hummers]

As James said, the liberals have been working on our kids through the school and university systems for 30-40 years. That's why so many of the young people lean left, they have been indoctrinated since they hit kindergarten. Whatever message the left wants to indoctrinate into your kids heads will be reinforced by the media. Pretty ingenius and insidious plan they have in place. As conservative parents it is your responsibility to undo the harm the schools/teachers and media do to your kids. Unfortunately too many people were oblivious to the danger and a couple of generations of young people have essentially been lost. Hopefully they don't turn out to be the swing block that the liberals needed to finish the job they started long ago.

 

[deserth3]

And Hollywood is helping too...
Just take the series "The Walking Dead". Have you ever noticed for the first few season everyone was armed mosly with hunting riffles and shotguns. Only the cops had pistols. I think I saw the first AR this season.
Last night was a perfect example of what I mean. So far only the Mayor had alot of guns. Of course he's crazy. So they go out to look for more guns. No less in the his old police department. Guns are all gone... And then they find his old friend Morgan with all of the guns stashed in his appartment. Of course he's now (you guessed it) crazy. Rick also mentions there may be a few other guns in a bar and some stores still. How does he know? Well he signed the permits for them.
So Rick ends up leaving town with no guns. Of course that little car he was driving couldn't cary much anyway. But that's another issue.

There are sheep out there who watch this and shows like CSI and think this crap is real folks. Just from watching this crap they come up with the conclusion thatonly cops should own all of the guns. ANd that anyone else with that many guns must be crazy.

So I don't think a weapons confiscation is all that much of a fanticy. There are a couple of states working the ground work now.

 

[3Hummers]

Unless we reaquire control of the education system it will happen one day, just as it has in Australia, England and other places around the globe. Don't think it will happen in my lifetime but possibly/probably in my kids lifetime if the direction we are headed in isn't changed.

 

[f5moab]

And Hollywood is helping too...
Just take the series "The Walking Dead". Have you ever noticed for the first few season everyone was armed mosly with hunting riffles and shotguns. Only the cops had pistols. I think I saw the first AR this season.
Last night was a perfect example of what I mean. So far only the Mayor had alot of guns. Of course he's crazy. So they go out to look for more guns. No less in the his old police department. Guns are all gone... And then they find his old friend Morgan with all of the guns stashed in his appartment. Of course he's now (you guessed it) crazy. Rick also mentions there may be a few other guns in a bar and some stores still. How does he know? Well he signed the permits for them.
So Rick ends up leaving town with no guns. Of course that little car he was driving couldn't cary much anyway. But that's another issue.

There are sheep out there who watch this and shows like CSI and think this crap is real folks. Just from watching this crap they come up with the conclusion thatonly cops should own all of the guns. ANd that anyone else with that many guns must be crazy.

So I don't think a weapons confiscation is all that much of a fanticy. There are a couple of states working the ground work now.

Isn't Rick hundreds of miles from where he was the deputy Sheriff, and if so how did he sign for the guns?

Janet (the blond) was armed with a nice looking 45 (and a set of 38s:shame

Rick's kid is shooting people with a handgun; living and dead.

Doesn't Glen have a handgun?

I see nothing in Walking Dead that reflects an anti-gun philosophy.

 

[Scarsman]

its not possible, if the government started taking guns "under the ruse of preventing war" that in it self would cause a war. i dont think we have much to worry about as far as guns going bye bye completely, ...

I would have to disagree. Yes, if they came out tomorrow and said "turn in all your guns" there would be trouble. But that is not how they are doing it. If you look back over the last 40 years or so, just look at the slow and steady progression of the errosion of the second amendment. It is small chunks here and there, starting with certain cities, certain states, and there is no denying the progression. It blows my mind how many gun owners and hunters have now fallen for the whole, "no one needs hi-cap mags, this or that gun has no "sporting" purpose," etc. etc. That is part of the slow errosion.

... i think we need to worry about people who dont properly store there guns and about mentally unstable people getting firearms.

I have to disagree here as well. I would agree there would be negligence if one were to leave a gun sitting on the sidewalk, or a park bench, or something like that. But if it is in their home, and someone breaks in and steals it, that is an act commited by the person doing the crime. If someone were to steal your car and then go out and run someone over and kill them, should you be liable because you did not have a club on your car and an alarm that would disable the ignition? That would be ludicrous! If someone steals your laptop and then uses it to steal someone's identity and make off with their life savings, should you be responsible for that? I work in a profession that includes using firearms, and had this discussion with a co worker recently. She felt that ALL gun buyers should have to have a full background check, and that gun owners who have guns stolen should have some sort of penalty put on them if the guns were not locked up. I have seen where burglars ripped an entire guin safe out that was bolted down, took a door off the hinges and used it to drag the safe out to their truck with.

I am a believer in personal responsibilty, and I believe the responsibilty for an individual's actions should rest on that person alone. If someone breaks into a house and steals a gun, and then commits a crime with that gun, THEY commited the crime. Not the victim of the burglary. We need to actually hold the criminal accountable, rather than trying to criminalize the victim.

Thats my point, if we start really looking into people before they buy a gun we would know if there really mentally unstable or not! There are many cases of people claiming there mental insanity and getting a shorter sentence, when in reality there perfectly normal and should be given a heavier sentence, and if someone isn't mentally stable in the first place, they should be aloud to own a gun. Also abearden, im looking at it from the stand point of recent shooting, sandy hook for example, if that guys mom locked up her guns and didnt have them laying around the house loaded, i bet that shooting wouldn't have occurred.

I disagree here too. As abearden said, guns are property, nothing more. That guy decided what he was going to do, and no amount of locking guns up would have prevented it. That was a planned event, not a heat of the moment instinctive reaction. You don't decide to commit something that horrible and not do it just because you can't get into the gun locker. He would have found a way to do what he set out to do. Whether he stole a semi truck and drove it into the school, or made a fire bomb and burned them all alive, or started lopping heads with a sword, machette, etc. That event happened because THAT PERSON decided to do it. NOT because someone else did not have a gun locked up.

 

[deserth3]

Isn't Rick hundreds of miles from where he was the deputy Sheriff, and if so how did he sign for the guns?

Janet (the blond) was armed with a nice looking 45 (and a set of 38s:shame

Rick's kid is shooting people with a handgun; living and dead.

Doesn't Glen have a handgun?

I see nothing in Walking Dead that reflects an anti-gun philosophy.

You're right about the handguns. As for the blond, I guess that's not my favorite color.:giggle:

I also thought they were hundreds of miles away from where they started but the son grabbed a picture of himself, mom, and dad from the diner.

I just feel it's strainge that no one else in the town seemed to have a stash of guns. Even if they were all kept in a vault. With zombies running around I'd have the damn thing open and readily accessable. knock down a few doors and you're bound to find a house with some guns.
It's also strainge or convenient to me that the two people with all of the guns are crazy.

 

[Hunner]

Mentally unstable would rule out most of congress qualifying?? No weapons for those guys.
I stopped by a National Forest range today and tested my mentality.

 

[Kyle]

I would have to disagree. Yes, if they came out tomorrow and said "turn in all your guns" there would be trouble. But that is not how they are doing it. If you look back over the last 40 years or so, just look at the slow and steady progression of the errosion of the second amendment. It is small chunks here and there, starting with certain cities, certain states, and there is no denying the progression. It blows my mind how many gun owners and hunters have now fallen for the whole, "no one needs hi-cap mags, this or that gun has no "sporting" purpose," etc. etc. That is part of the slow errosion.

Thats what i took from the video, that the government is any day now going to come take all the guns away. Im still young so im not as wise as all you guys, i do see everyones point tho and actually now think i see what you all are saying as far as mental insanity and locking up guns etc. makes sense now!

 

[LagunaH1]

State department publication 7277 seems to talk about reduction in armament levels for the militaries of the world, not about citizens. I haven't read the document in its entirety yet so I could be wrong. Who here has read it?

 

[JGBB04]

They can come get mine any day. I'll meet them at door w/ a smile, I have 1 "Hi-Point 9mm handgun" along w/ 1 10rnd mag full of junk .gov 9mm FMJ ammo I will give them

 

[ArtHummer]

I would have to disagree. Yes, if they came out tomorrow and said "turn in all your guns" there would be trouble. But that is not how they are doing it. If you look back over the last 40 years or so, just look at the slow and steady progression of the errosion of the second amendment. It is small chunks here and there, starting with certain cities, certain states, and there is no denying the progression. It blows my mind how many gun owners and hunters have now fallen for the whole, "no one needs hi-cap mags, this or that gun has no "sporting" purpose," etc. etc. That is part of the slow errosion.

Absolutely agree with you on that statement. Looking at 40 years back the 2nd amendment steadily started to degrade. But now look at the last 10 years and on the last 5 years and on what is happening right now. You can see that the pace increasing dramatically. America has a very rich heritage of the FREE gun ownership. There is a reason why it is a 2nd amendment and not the 27th. And looking at what happening right now, we are loosing our gun rights much faster then any others (Britain, Australia). Why is it happening that we are loosing our gun right with such a pace? And i think if the pace will increase we will lose the 2nd amendment well in our life time.

 

[Paladine71]

Then there will have to be a war.

 

[3Hummers]

This generation will not comply with a confiscation scenario. 2,3-4 generations in the future they might. Everyone of us should be introducing our children to firearms, hunting, target shooting, etc., whatever floats your boat. It isn't just the 2nd Amendment that is under attack. Political correctness is an assault on free speech, the government and ACLU crackdown on Christianity is an assault on religion and you can keep looking and find that most of our other rights, as granted by the Bill of Rights and Constitution are under assault.
ArtHummer, you ask why the pace of these assaults is so quick, well the answer is simple. Look at who runs the government. The liberals control the Senate and the White House. When Pelosi and Reid were in control of Congress they wielded the power of their offices to the fullest extent. When Republicans control they refuse to govern like the Democrats do. The liberals make lots of progress toward their goals when in power and the Republicans let the Democrats frustrate their attempts at getting what they want when they are in control. The old line establishment Republican politicians are incapable of stopping the liberal onslaught because they don't know how to use power when they have it. We need new blood in Washington. I don't really care where it comes from but we need fresh people, fresh ideas and people with a dogged determination to maintaining the freedoms that we are granted in the founding documents. That means that " We the People" need to find and encourage the right people to enter politics and go clean up this mess. There are a few that have been elected and it seems that the Republicans and Democrats hate them equally. Ted Cruz, freshman Senator from Texas is a loose cannon but he doesn't mind calling out Dems or Repubs for being f*&ked up. The Republican leadership just demoted 4 conservative Congressmen for their independence from the establishment Republican platform. In my eyes those guys are mini-heros. They are willing to swim upstream and even lose their political carrers to stand up for what is right. We need to elect more people like that.
Finally the two parties control too much of the money. They almost dictate who will win a primary. I refuse to donate to the Republican Party because they frequently pick the wrong guys. They pick guys that will toe the line. I donate to candidates themselves and I donate to candidates all over the country that have that independent right minded outlook ( ie Allen West from Florida )
We have to force the changes, it won't happen if we don't.