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Off-road shocks

seedorfj

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My girlfriend's dad thinks her H3T needs some new shocks, my best guess is this is because it does dive quite a bit, but it isn't excessively bouncy, and it has less than 100k miles on it. Now I'm pretty sure shocks won't get rid of the dive, they may slow it down, but dive and roll should be defined by spring and sway bar stiffness. I saw the link to the Bilsteins for what I think are for the front and I just wondered if these will do well off road, and what the recommended shocks are for the back. We do some decently difficult trails, but its bone stock (minus unbolting the rear sway bar). It's soon to have 35s and I will probably level it, so some shocks that add a little more range in both the front and back would be nice. I have to say I love the hummer over my friend's jeep, it can go almost twice as fast on rough trails without being so jarring and this means less time getting to features and more time crawling. As long as the new shocks don't make to ride rougher, and it would be great if they were even smoother we should be happy. So any recommendations?
 

Panzer07

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I believe this is the part number for the front they are bit longer than the oem so they should work and make up more than enough for when u crank the tbars
These are bilstein 5160 25-177411
Not sure for the rear I use bilstein 7100 but they were with a rancho leaf spring ak7112sb06.

If u want to save some cash look them up in different websites and see which one has them listed the cheapest and then go ahead and give summit racing a call. They will price match and you will get them with free shipping as well.

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lsv_palana

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I have asked many times, but i did not get answer yet. So - here is my question: i have rancho lift kit installed with 4 inch lift. What kind of shocks i need to install on my rig to get real reliable suspension. I see fox shock with external reserviour and they are installed with rancho kit. I dont know number of that shocks. Does anybody can help me with bilstein shocks or fox shocks that can be used with rancho kit ?
 

4speedfunk

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Anytime you modify an oddball vehicle (such as the H3), you will have to make your parts...or find some other application to work on it. Most of us agree that Rancho shocks are completely useless...other than they bolt-on without any mods. So what do you do if you want to upgrade the Rancho shocks? Get out the tape measure, determine the appropriate length, determine the appropriate connections, and then take a stab. Most likely you will need to fiddle with the valving to get the ride quality you are looking for. Jeep JK shocks are very close on the valving but, the connections are totally different.

A stock H3 needs front shocks with a shaft bushing at the top, and a super-strange, double-shear bolted connection at the bottom. The rear needs to be a GM bar-pin at the top, and a bushed eyelet on the bottom. This makes them sort of "special" in terms of aftermarket shocks, and it may take some searching to find a bolt-on replacement. Most good quality aftermarket shocks (Fox, King, etc.) will be standardized around the eyelet top and eyelet bottom configuration. This seems to be the most universal way to mount shocks, and I recommend converting to this configuration if you are doing MAJOR mods to the suspension. It makes shock selection easier, and vastly increases your choice of shocks to choose from. But since you are still using "stock" connections with the Rancho...I would try to stay with that configuration.

For the rear, some guys use bar-pin eliminators on the top but, these have their own set of issues and I prefer to keep bar-pins rather than run eliminators. In most cases you can press-out your old bar-pins and re-install them on some new eyelet-to-eyelet type shocks. Other GM trucks share the same bar-pin dimensions, so you might searching for a Silverado 1500 application. Some Ford and Jeep applications also use bar-pins but, the dimensions are slightly different so expect to spend some time with a die-grinder to get them to fit the GM bar-pin brackets on the H3's frame. I would think the valving for a 1500 GM truck would be close enough.

For the front...its anybody's guess. I would suggest you start with searching a Colorado/Canyon application. If you don't have any success, you might want to consider converting to a standard eyelet-to-eyelet layout so you can run any shock you like. I think it would be fairly easy to fabricate some adapters for the top and bottom attachment points. But the big concern is that adapters take away length...and you will loose probably 3" of shock travel to do this. So perhaps using an adapter on the lower control arm and a totally new "hoop" on the top would be a better solution.
 

Panzer07

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I have asked many times, but i did not get answer yet. So - here is my question: i have rancho lift kit installed with 4 inch lift. What kind of shocks i need to install on my rig to get real reliable suspension. I see fox shock with external reserviour and they are installed with rancho kit. I dont know number of that shocks. Does anybody can help me with bilstein shocks or fox shocks that can be used with rancho kit ?
The part numbers I listed above are compatible with the rancho.

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lsv_palana

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As i understand you have posted front shocks part number.. i am dumb.. sorry. I need shocks with external reserviour like i see on that pictures. Can you post numbers once again like this:

Front shocks compatible with rancho lift: XXXXXXXXX

Rear shock compatible with rancho lift: XXXXXXXXX

Sorry..
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Panzer07

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As i understand you have posted front shocks part number.. i am dumb.. sorry. I need shocks with external reserviour like i see on that pictures. Can you post numbers once again like this:

Front shocks compatible with rancho lift: XXXXXXXXX

Rear shock compatible with rancho lift: XXXXXXXXX

Sorry..
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This are bilstein 5160 series with reservoir for the front.
https://m.summitracing.com/parts/bsn-25-177411

This are 7100 series with reservoir for the rear.
https://m.summitracing.com/parts/bsn-ak7112sb06

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Panzer07

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Near 700$... i hope they are not so bad as rancho 9000
If you shop around u can get them for as low as $135/65 each one. And if you do either order from that seller or you can always call summit racing equipment and they will price match as well you will qualify for their free shipping which is a good thing. Bilstein is in the middle ground when it cime to price and quality...you will spend more money with fox...and way more with king shocks.

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lsv_palana

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Kamchatka, Russia
I think only one way - reconstruct metall plate and install some kind of bumper on it... all i see that use existing hole - not good because bumper meets a arm with wring angle..
 

amrg

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Yes but make sure it doesn't drop more because the c.v. joints will bind and pop at that angle.
 
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