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The Gun Control Debate - A Place for Your Perspective

Bigunit

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Since the gun control debate will be picking up more steam under the current Administration, I thought it would be a good time to create a new, official H4O thread where everyone could post "gun debate" information and/or share their views/opinions and perspectives on this issue. All views & opinions are welcome (...as long as they are the same as mine! :no: Not really, just kidding.)

Rules will be simple: please re-read the H4O Terms of Use before you post (no personal attacks or offensive posts will be allowed). The forum reserves the right to modify the rules as we go or to close this thread if things get personal & ugly.


I'll start things off with the following perspective:

Accidental Deaths

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services.)

Now think about this:

Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.
(Statistics courtesy of FBI.)

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,​
BUT
Almost everyone has at least one doctor.
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This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor as by a gun owner!!!
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Out of concern for the public at large,
I withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention! :)

:mock:​
 
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ArtHummer

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Bigunit said:

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'
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Hahaha... So true.... The less doctors see you, the longer you will survive.

On other note. IMO... Most of the sickness and illnesses are coming from the stress. Stress is the number one killer issue in the world. Now look at the guns and stress.
1. having a gun as a self defense gives you a "peace of mind", there fore reducing the level of stress.
2. target shooting with a gun is a very fan activity increasing endorphins in your body and reducing stress
3. hunting is another fun activity, plus a great supply clean organic meat products. you having fun and eat healthy
4. You can defend yourself, mean you can survive longer.

So from what I can see. Gun are not only "don't kill people", but also healing and prolong their life. Gun are definable better and healthier then doctors.
 
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When it comes to gun ownership, rights, freedoms, 2nd amendment, etc. the question needs to be "why should law abiding, not determined to be mentally defective, American citizens not be allowed to own and carry a gun" NOT "why should American's be allowed to own/carry a gun." The debate is completely backwards, gun ownership is a right, we do not need to justify why we own guns or what guns we own. Taken a step further, we do not need to justify why we own or want to buy a so-called assault rifle or high capacity magazines. It's our constitutional right, and "they" need to justify why we need our constitutional rights limited.

Personally, I have no desire to buy an AR, AK, or any other "assault" rifle. I still feel strongly that the gov't has no business telling me I can't buy one or that somehow having an adjustable stock plus a flash suppressor makes it illegal.
 
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I figure it'll take a few months for an AWB to go through if it gets that far. I suspect whatever happens will end up in the supreme court. I can't see things being enforcible, period.

That being said, my family and a bunch of my co-workers is putting together a group AR order once we hear back from our supplier. Got a bunch of ammo and pmags. A few friends stocked up on lowers, but can't find any uppers to build rifles at the moment.

I was expecting some form of magazine and features ban attempt but not a registry system, heck even Canada threw that out as a big waste of time up North.

I guess I'll tune into c-span tomorrow.
 
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Weird how these people that probably have never owned or fired a gun think because it does not have a wooden stock, is painted black and has holes in various parts for ventilation becomes an "assault" weapon? As most of us know the semi-automatic function is basically the same.
To make a point those now being protected by armed security that think guns should be banned for everybody else, should announce to the world that their security personnel no longer are armed.
AND I mean all of them, stand behind what you stand for set an example.
I can tell you around here since the election you have to stand in line, actually at times 8 clerks working in one of the larger specialty stores with a line of 10 or more people waiting in each line, to purchase a weapon. It was became even more crowded the week before the holidays but has not let up.

Did you see where the Journal News published registered gun owners names and addresses? It was reported they have now hired armed security for their offices.
So now some critics published the names and addresses of the reporters at the Journal. I guess what goes around............

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/...-in-publishing-names-addresses-of-gun-owners/
 
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Bigunit

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Here is the world we currently live in - the height of hypocrisy - celebrities (who have made millions of dollars off of depicting violence in their films or music lyrics like the mass shootings that have occured recently) demanding gun control! Notice how Beyonce is front and center on this Hollywood gun control propaganda - isn't she married to a gun violent "gansta"?

WARNING: This clip contains graphic depictions of violence and obscenties. If you are offended by these things, you may not want to view this video.

IMO, Hollywood needs to take some responsibility for glamorizing a culture of gun violence in today's society - only to make millions of $$ by selling movie tickets and movie royalties and then blaming law-abiding citizens for the current culture of gun violence.

[video=youtube;FhAEcHEWamY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhAEcHEWamY[/video]
 
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All guns are assault weapons if you shoot, club, poke or beat someone with them. But then so are shoes, newspapers and flyswatters. This is about control. It is about eliminating things for others that you don't like. I don't care if others choose not toown a firearm. I don't think others should have an opinion on whether I should have one or not. Guess I should try to get my rep to introduce a bill forcing everyone to buy a firearm...you know, like health care.
 
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the question needs to be "why should law abiding, not determined to be mentally defective,
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Right there is the problem. The left thinks anyone who owns, wants to own, or thinks they shouldhave the right to won a gun is mentally defective. Also they think anyone who doesn't see their point of view is mentaly defective. Thus leading them to believe since everyone is mentaly defective. They have the right to tell them what to do.

When in actuality they themselves are most likely defectve and should be put away.
 
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Not so long ago some of these nut jobs would have been institutionalized. Today the feel good, everyone but conservatives have rights movement wants everyone mainstreamed. Not everyone can be mainstreamed. Lanza had issues. His mother should have had the guns locked up where he could not get them.
 
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Yes it is. Responsible gun owners need to do their part to keep those that shouldn't have guns away from them. I don't know the specific circumstances in this case but Lanza clearly should not have had access to firearms. That said you never know when someone will do something off the wall stupid.
 
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I agree with you 3Hummers, I'm a responsible gun owner and a Texas CHL holder and I would like for everyone that owns guns be responsible also. Laws are created because of stupid people and I would hate for stupid people be the reason for me to loose mine. I think instead of spending so much time and effort trying to defend the 2nd, spend that time and effort to do everything to keep firearms out of the hands of the wrong people. I heard that Lanza entered a local gun store and tried to buy a gun and did not or could not pass the background check, why can't there be a law that requires that gun store to report to law enforcement that he tried to make a purchase. He could have been investigated and may have been stopped, then those beautiful babies would be alive and no one would be talking about taking my guns away. Maybe one day everyone will work together for a solution to this problem.
Just my opinion
 
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My thought process:

1) Bad people have guns.
2) Bad people enter good peoples' houses.
3) Good people have the right to use OVERWHELMING FIREPOWER against said bad people.

I don't want to be on a level playing field against a baddie in my own house. I want the uphill advantage.

Additionally, the 2nd amendment was put in place by people who opposed a tyrannical government. They wanted to make sure we could do it again, and that the people could oppose their own tyrannical government if necessary. It says nothing about hunting or sporting.
 
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This is where I go a different direction than most. To me there is no debate about my right to own or use guns as necessary to protect my self or property. It is spelled out end of debate.
As far as people not being responcible with their weapons that is no different than a DWI enforcement officer getting a DWI. It happens. People are people and they know the law. Most will follow and some will not. Laws do not stop actions an never have.
 
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Lanza committed 41 felonies with his acts. I don't think breaking a few more laws and running up his count was going to deter him. They can pass all the laws they want and it will not stop this type of thing. Interesting fact, FBI statistics show that more people are murdered with hammers and clubs every year than firearms. Still more people are killed with bare hands than clubs or hammers. No one is talking about banning bats or hammers.
 
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