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H3 Transmission dead?

fowlken8

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So today, suddenly my transmission is slipping horribly, can’t get over 20 mph. Give it throttle rpm’s shoot up. Put it in 4 hi lock, worse. Couldn’t get home due to all the fckin hills in Albuquerque. Had to drive to my dads work and wait for him to let me park in a locked area. Embarrassing and annoying.

Anything I might be able to test? This reminds me of when the 4l60e on my s10 took a sht.

When will it end…
 

Jeepwalker

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If it's not one thing, it's another ...Dang!! Are the RPM's going high? Does it seem to slip in high gear, or all gears? Have you replaced the fluid lately (that could be the prob)?

1) I guess if it were mine, I'd first check the trans & vehicle for any codes. You never know. Obviously the fluid level/quality ..which you've probably done.

2) If you've replaced the fluid lately, that could be part of the problem. Something to do with the filter/seal, etc, perhaps. Try a different brand ATF. Coefficient of frictions could be different with what you put in causing the clutches to slip. I've personally had chatter happen with one ATF and go away after changing to another (in a GM pickup).

3) Could take it to a trans shop and let them check pressures, etc. Get a professional assessment. There are a lot of troubleshooting points they can do and pretty much drill down to what the problem might be. Might be the torque converter and not the actual transmission (??). IDT a sensor issue would cause that, but I can't say for 100% certainty.

4) Worst case, last ditch effort, if $$ is tight, you could pull out some tranny fluid and add in a can of Trans X or another tranny miracle product. Trans X some say is the best (??). Try to coax it to life till you get some $$ saved. My brother had a car many yrs ago, which wouldn't even move under it's own power. Put in a can of Trans X and followed the instructions ....waited quite a while like 20 minutes, maybe 40 ....and darn if it didn't eventually start to creep forward. Ultimately it came to life and he drove the car for 3 or 4 months. The tranny acted fine. He sold it to a guy and after about a year it crapped out. But he DID extend the life of the tanny. ...not saying that's a recommended way to go, but it's *a* way, esp if that's all ya got... Or get a used or rebuilt unit if yours is known bad. Or have a trans shop rebuild yours with all the latest updates.

Let us know what you find in terms of codes ...and way forward.
 
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fowlken8

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It’s funny in a not funny way.

First gear fine. It shifts into second and then just goes as high as I let it. No power. 20-25 mph max.

Fluid is fine. I was told it was changed before I bought it and the carfax says so too?

I’m thinking trans shop. I thought that too. Torque converter or something. Just out of nowhere. When I’m coming to a stop it’ll jolt a bit too. Happy I limped to my dads work at 9pm. Feel bad about it since I’m not young lol Sunday night tow is hundreds.

Money is ok but I’m cheap lol I added a trans additive before my failed tow trip.

Zero codes. Scan gauge II showing nothing. Transfer case was in standard mode. I tried putting it in 4hi lock to see if the transfer case might be weird and it didn’t help, rpm even worse 4k and not moving much.

But even a few minutes ago it feels like it binds on turns at low speed. Nothing is adding up.
 

fowlken8

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Just came home and two of my dogs had explosive diarrhea everywhere. Fk my life

Tomorrow I fix my truck. Charge my lotus exige battery. Find a trans shop.
 

Jeepwalker

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Sorry ...seems like a lot of things going the wrong direction these days.

See what the shop finds. If it shifts 1-2-3 ok, probably not the torque converter. Could be a 3-4 shift solenoid too. IDK. I had a Chrysler RFE tranny which had a problem like which had high-gear shifting problems. There are a few possibilities. But if it's worn clutches, that's a teardown. So, you never know. Make sure it's a tranny shop with a decent reputation. Did you do a wider "google search" for these trannies (using "Forums" in the search string to search Forums in general? To see if there was a common issue like this?

Good luck
 

fowlken8

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Sorry ...seems like a lot of things going the wrong direction these days.

See what the shop finds. If it shifts 1-2-3 ok, probably not the torque converter. Could be a 3-4 shift solenoid too. IDK. I had a Chrysler RFE tranny which had a problem like which had high-gear shifting problems. There are a few possibilities. But if it's worn clutches, that's a teardown. So, you never know. Make sure it's a tranny shop with a decent reputation. Did you do a wider "google search" for these trannies (using "Forums" in the search string to search Forums in general? To see if there was a common issue like this?

Good luck
I always search multiple variations of my concern followed by forum. I’ve called a few places today and the soonest availability is Wednesday. Apparently a good shop. Any concerns on google reviews had well written responses with proper grammar. I care about that lol

I wouldn’t even say 1-2-3. I could only get to 25mph at best. 20mph was my average speed limping to my dad’s work. It was so bad. Moderate throttle 3-4, 4.5 rpm. Going nowhere with trans temps skyrocketing.

I’ve swapped the transmission on my Lotus before, but never an automatic 4l60e. Is it much different? I have a transmission jack and many tools from before.
 

Doc Olds

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I always look at a rebuild as an opportunity to do it up right.... build it back better. Yes, you can just get it rebuilt. I would go full on performance to handle it all, like your 35s, towing, wheeling etc...

Sonnax smart tech input housing and Borg Warner 29 element dual cage sprag.
Sonnax 2nd & 4th gear super hold servos
New GM reverse input drum and Sonnax extra wide Kevlar band
Beast Sunshell 4L65E / 700R4 / 4L60 / 4L60E (Washer Type w/ 4 Washer Holes). There is more....

OK maybe not all that, but you get the idea.
 

Jeepwalker

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What do you have for a scan tool?

If you're going to be into H3's for the long haul, consider getting a Tech II (even used import version), or good (updated) Snap-on, etc. Something with bi-directional ability to toggle switches/features, on your Rig. Helps troubleshooting. Maybe you already have one...??
 

fowlken8

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Scangauge II was what read that. I also have another fancier one that does live data and abs/srs info. Although I don't know how to use it to it's capabilities
 

Jeepwalker

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Since you do a lot of your own de-bugging, and seem to have quite a bit being thrown your way, moving up to a scan tool with bi-directional capabilities might come in handy and be a worthwhile investment, at some point. The scanner allows ya to run HVAC system, gauge cluster, lights, Radio, compressor, the tranny solenoids, EGR and more through "test" procedures, activate solenoids, turn systems on/off, Program fobs, etc. Obviously brake bleed too. They go way beyond most OBD readers.

I think for $300 you could buy a *used* china Tech II. New is about $390, LINK HERE. Tech-II is GM specific and what the techs would have used. I use a Snap-on Solus Ultra which works on almost every vehicle. It has probably 80-90% of the Tech-II capabilities. But costs 3x more too (even used). Probably rather than a Snap-on, would be a higher-end Launch or Autel scanner. The software updates are much cheaper than Snap-on. Those higher end scanners do OBD-1 systems back to '81 too if you have any classic cars/trucks. But a used or ebay Tech II would be the lowest cost of entry (and most comprehensive) for a real good scanner for your H3..and other (older) GM's. Scanners sit on the shelf most of the time, but when ya need it, man they can really help out a ton. If it cut down on one tricky repair it *might* pay for itself in saved time.

Not trying to convince or persuade you, just let you know it's something that's out there...
 
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fowlken8

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I appreciate all the advice I can get. And I actually have an Autel, funny you mentioned that; just not their fancy one. I didn't know that the tech II was that capable. I hate intensive transmission/transfercase/engine work. I can do just about everything else.

Haven't gotten a call from the shop yet. Don't know if they have even looked at my vehicle yet. Hoping they can trouble shoot rather quickly and then let me know the damage.
 
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