H3 TEXTING And Driving ! ! !

[Bigunit]

Calm down Ray. BS like this just isn't worth the the time or trouble. There are other crimes that you can be charged with if you go off on somebody because you simply just observed them texting while driving and you couldn't control yourself. Situations like that usually spin out of your control and don't end well one way or the other. You could be found legally responsible for distracting that distracted driver with your profanity filled tirade that the distracted driver interpreted as an imminent threat to their safety and stood their ground and shot you thinking that you were a half-crazed lunatic who was about to jump out of your truck to attack them so they shot and killed you in self-defense or now a days, be charged with a hate crime based on what you said and to whom. Play that one in your head for a while or put it in your pipe and smoke it or on the list of possible scenarios and drive on by instead. If you are so obsessed about this and feel the need to go off on someone like that, especially a woman, you may want to see a therapist to get over your mommy anger issues. Just saying...

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[H3Ray]

Mommy anger issues? I think it's more like Feminism controls all men but most of us won't or can't admit it. Puleeeze bro. Why am I the bad guy? So, I am bringing attention to innocent people being killed ( did you see the horrendous images in this thread?) and now I am being called out because I am out of line, and then you end with a personal attack making an inuendo I have issues with my Mother? Bigunit: Sucker punch move dude! And being a Moderator does not make you any more better than others. We are here together equally as members of this Forum.

More people need to take a stand and speak up against Texting and Driving and FACT IS MORE WOMEN TEXT THAN MEN. AND MORE WOMEN KILL PEOPLE THAN MEN IN TEXTING RELATED ACCIDENTS. SO, I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE ANGRY AT WOMEN THAN MEN.

 

[Panzer07]

In my own experience I see more male driver texting than females...**** even cops and semi-truck driver do it all the time...hell even myself I 've done it a twice or two...the only down and fault I see on females driver they do take a big hit when it comes to doing or touching up her make up (specially middle age women)...at every red light...or maybe that's just a SoCali thing who knows and who cares...I personally believe we as society now days have become too warped up in trying to make everything more safer to the point we start to go over board...I know there's a city next to me where it is illegal to walk and eat ice cream...because someone got in a accident by doing this, and so they make this action illegal...and this is no bs the city it is Pasadena I believe if I'm not mistaken...the way I see it if it is your time to go see the wizard then that's it...it is your time. yes u can do and try so many thing to prevent and what not...but at the end is part of the cycle of life...or else just stay in your house and play it safe...oh yeah but even in your house theirs more than enough ways to in danger yourself an your neighbors. Those are my two cents...I'm sure Ya'll might disagree but after deploying and coming close to go meet the wizard a time or two, I learned and realized that if is not your time it is not your time even If u do try or put yourself in harms ways, heck maybe it was your destiny to end other person's life...


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[chaos254]

I decided to edit my post and let this thread die

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[3Hummers]

All I know is that if a total stranger starts going off on me at a stop light he might be making a huge mistake. I think we all agree that distracted driving is a serious issue and none of us seem to condone it. Except for those of us that are LE it is not up to us to deal with other than to raise awareness of the issue.

 

[Kyle]

if some one came up to me at a light screaming and cursing, i believe that could be a "fearful of my life situation". especially at night, could you imagine someone running up to your car or pulling up next to you in a full on rage mode just going off on you? id be out of there faster than you could blink.

 

[persius1]

Texting and driving..... Plus all other distractions going on while driving is something I'm always looking out for. See I ride an 05 Buell xb12s most of the time I'm not in my 3. I also drive all over the state of New Mexico for my job and I see it all over. It's just something that as a rider I have to be aware of my surroundings at all times, but believe it or not I get cut off, nearly sideswiped or tail gated more so in the hummer then on my motorcycle. Yeah we have state laws here against it however it's rarely enforced. I would love to see more accountability to the drivers who do it, but that will be hard since I do see law enforcement doing it as well.

My thought is if I have to put away my phone when I ride then drivers should have to do the same.

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[06 H3]

H3ray, calm down. So your willing to get shot so someone can go to jail? Is your life really that worthless? Come on now, we all get texting and driving is bad, driving under the influence is bad too and so are a million other things. People try to stop as much as they can but at the end of the day we cant stop all the morons out there. We just have to be attentive drivers, everything in life has some risk. I will risk my life driving to and from the places I need/want to be. If you want to be 100% safe sit on the couch and dont leave the house. Hope there is no earthquake so the ceiling fan doesnt fall on you.

My point is we cant stop everyone so do what you can to stay safe, live life, and enjoy it.

 

[06 H3]

So, I am bringing attention to innocent people being killed ( did you see the horrendous images in this thread?)

Innocent people and animals get killed all the time. This is nothing new, WE CANT STOP all of the bad things happening to innocent people...

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

H3ray, calm down. So your willing to get shot so someone can go to jail? Is your life really that worthless? Come on now, we all get texting and driving is bad, driving under the influence is bad too and so are a million other things. People try to stop as much as they can but at the end of the day we cant stop all the morons out there. We just have to be attentive drivers, everything in life has some risk. I will risk my life driving to and from the places I need/want to be. If you want to be 100% safe sit on the couch and dont leave the house. Hope there is no earthquake so the ceiling fan doesnt fall on you.

My point is we cant stop everyone so do what you can to stay safe, live life, and enjoy it.

your point reminds me of a quote

"The way evil will win is if good does nothing" - I get the live and let live, but making your displeasure known to people who are texting is also recommended. I don't thinking screaming like a lunatic would get the point across, but saying "stop texting" gets the point across. Expect to be flipped off, ah well, they did get the point - and, if even for a moment, they stop - you've done good.

 

[Zach]

Heard crack kills, might want to put the glass d@@k down now or whatever it is and deal with it. Your tirades are epic.Told you once, hide under the rock you crawled out from under. But twice now? We really aren't about about drama and yet you're still talking ****. Like 06H3 said, hide at home. The real world is ****ed up, deal with it. There are bigger fishes to fry.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

Heard crack kills, might want to put the glass d@@k down now or whatever it is and deal with it. Your tirades are epic.Told you once, hide under the rock you crawled out from under. But twice now? We really aren't about about drama and yet you're still talking ****. Like 06H3 said, hide at home. The real world is ****ed up, deal with it. There are bigger fishes to fry.

wtf?

 

[Zach]

Sent you a pm to your response. Enough said

 

[alrock]

FWIW, the same women that text and put on their makeup in the car I've coached on shooting, handling pistols and concealed carry in a holster in their purse. I'm pretty sure that we all agree that texting and driving is not good - the message is received. But I hope the message that walking up to a stranger's car has it's own risks. I've already made my choice that unless the car behind me has flashing red and blue lights that is someone walks up to my car, my weapon will be unholstered.

Ray, most of the posts here that are arguing against you are friendly - they are forum members presenting a counterpoint. They are simply trying to point out that in many states that if someone feels their life is in danger that deadly force may be appropriate. That's a tough legal argument be win against, and even tougher from the grave. Just as you are asking people to open up to your opinion, I hope you will do the same with the opinions shared by many here in this thread.

 

[H3Ray]

Please - My Apologies. We are the safest country in the world. We have more laws than we really need. I re-track my comments as I would never engage in conversation with anyone at a stoplight or anywhere else in anger. All I am saying is all this "me, me attitude" and people being so selfish these days it makes me feel like as a society we are becoming so superficial and narcissistic. I go shopping or the supermarket and all I see are Textzilla C*nts pushing their carts with their forearms all the while glued to the phone looking at her recently uploaded "selfie" all the while she is running over disabled people, injured people or older folks who can't move about. The bottom line, in my opinion, it's bothersome and down right sad to see what we have become as a society.

Please don't Text and Drive.

Thank you

 

[3Hummers]

We have become a society that is less social. People don't even call any more, they text or email. Interpersonal skills are disappearing.

 

[Kyle]

We have become a society that is less social. People don't even call any more, they text or email. Interpersonal skills are disappearing.

Growing up in texting era (i'm 18) i agree. To me id rather pick up the phone and have a conversation because most of the time im asking the person a question and or need a answer back immediately, texting/email is something thats causal.

 

[kilroy]

yep. In Howell. The woman officer was a Howell city police. Hit me up next time you're in the area



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Yeah, don't get down that way very often anymore since I work in the Lansing area these days. Used to work in a machine shop that relocated from Howell to the Island lake State Park area and would often drive home through Cohoctha.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

We have become a society that is less social. People don't even call any more, they text or email. Interpersonal skills are disappearing.

so true - then we wonder why people do anti-social things like killing school kids. However, I would lose some friendships if it weren't for electronic communication - whether it be because they live a long distance away, or their only time to talk is in 30 second increments...
Example, I have a friend who was called up to Iraq (twice), electronic communication was what kept us as friends - because you could simply type an email and attach a picture to say hi. This is opposed to another friend who joined up right after high school - never talked during his service until now on Facebook. My wife works in a cube farm, so calling her and talking about stuff that comes up would be impossible without texting.... not to mention that all of my SAR communications come via text and email.

point is, the method isn't evil; it's when we lose sight of the idea that it's meant to keep us together (and preferably not kill us or others when we use it)...

funny, last night a guy was texting, smoking and driving. He wanted to hide his phone, so he's texting at the console of his car and swerving nicely. I commented to my wife that if the texting doesn't get him the smoking will.... nothing like covering all of your bases, huh?

 

[HummerRoller]

I handle people who text and drive by extrication and body bags. Many trees around here... one to many people killed over it. Not gonna beat a dead horse. If its important, they will call you.

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[f5moab]

Ya it's a law here in UT that texting and driving is illegal. This year they took it a step further that any manipulation of a cell phone: texting, using the social media, using the internet, checking email, changing music... etc was illegal. The law hasn't take effect yet but has been passed and will take effect I believe oct 2014. So start of fiscal 2015 it's gospel. Young female girls here are the absolute worst here. To compound with that...
The drivers in UT are semi aggressive (no where near kalif) But driving 70 mph in a blizzard is not uncommon and in fact if you aren't driving at least 65 in that blizzard here you sure as hell better be in the most far right lane on the freeway or you are surely impeding traffic. 4wd vehicles are a must here. Not to get to work but to keep up with traffic.

RIP to all those that have lost to this. I am sorry to everyone. Especially to SBG. He is someone I look up to on this forum. Deepest sorrow to you my brother. Your thoughts and prayers will be with the SF this week.

Utah's law took affect May 15,2014,
41-6a-1716. Prohibition on using a handheld wireless communication
device while operating a moving motor vehicle — Exceptions — Penalties.
(1) As used in this section:
(a) (i) “Handheld wireless communication device” means a handheld device used for the transfer of information without the use of electrical conductors or wires.
(ii) “Handheld wireless communication device” includes a:
(A) wireless telephone;
(B) personal digital assistant;
(C) pager; or
(D) text messaging device.
(b) (i) “Text message” means to manually communicate in the form of electronic text or one or more electronic images sent by the actor from a handheld wireless communication device to another person’s handheld wireless communication device or computer by addressing the communication to the person’s telephone number.
(ii) “Text message” includes manually composing a communication in the form of electronic text or an electronic image by the actor even if the electronic text or image has not been sent to another person.
(2) Except as provided in Subsection (3), a person may not use a handheld wireless communication device while operating a moving motor vehicle on a highway in this state to:
(a) text message;
(b) manually communicate through an electronic mail system;
(c) manually enter data into a handheld wireless communication device; (dialing a number is entering data)
(d) send data, read text, or view images on a handheld wireless communication device; or
(e) manipulate an application from a handheld wireless communication device.
(3) Subsection (2) does not prohibit a person from using a handheld wireless communication device while operating a moving motor vehicle:
(a) when making or receiving a telephone call;
(b) when using a handheld wireless communication device for global positioning or navigation services;
(c) during a medical emergency;
(d) when reporting a safety hazard or requesting assistance relating to a safety hazard;
(e) when reporting criminal activity or requesting assistance relating to a criminal activity;
(f) when providing roadside or medical assistance;
(g) when used by a law enforcement officer or emergency service personnel acting within the course and scope of the law enforcement officer’s or emergency service personnel’s employment; or
(h) to operate:
(i) hands-free or voice operated technology; or
(ii) a system that is physically or electronically integrated into the motor vehicle.
(4) A person convicted of a violation of this section is guilty of a:
(a) class C misdemeanor; or
(b) class B misdemeanor if the person:
(i) has also inflicted serious bodily injury upon another as a proximate result of using a handheld wireless communication device for text messaging or electronic mail communication while operating a moving motor vehicle on a highway in this state; or
(ii) has a prior conviction under this section, that is within three years of:
(A) the current conviction under this section; or
(B) the commission of the offense upon which the current conviction is based.
Amended by Chapter 193, 2012 General Session

 

[LagunaH1]

I realize this might be a bit of a tangent, but I have always wondered when / if we get to the point where the conversation about text & driving / futzing with a gadget while driving comes back to what I believe is the central issue: Distracted driving. AFAIK most states have laws against distracted driving. Why not just enforce those? Do we truly *need* all those "device specific" laws? I'd be curious to hear the perspective of one of our LEO's on this point

I'll see if I can find a reference for this but I'm pretty sure I heard a mention of some research that supposedly showed that having a conversation with a person in your car is just as distracting as talking on the phone. I think this very likely could be true.

Oh well... me and my scotch are going back to watching top gear

 

[poncho1965]

Speaking for myself, I can't talk on the phone in the car, I am distracted and realize it. Let alone texting where my eyes are not concentrating on the road. I really don't think I want to be any part of a headline in the newspaper.


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[Zach]

Some good points by people here and some not so good poins, those win. Think it's time to let this thread die. Just sayin

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

I realize this might be a bit of a tangent, but I have always wondered when / if we get to the point where the conversation about text & driving / futzing with a gadget while driving comes back to what I believe is the central issue: Distracted driving. AFAIK most states have laws against distracted driving. Why not just enforce those? Do we truly *need* all those "device specific" laws? I'd be curious to hear the perspective of one of our LEO's on this point

I'll see if I can find a reference for this but I'm pretty sure I heard a mention of some research that supposedly showed that having a conversation with a person in your car is just as distracting as talking on the phone. I think this very likely could be true.

Oh well... me and my scotch are going back to watching top gear

Yes, we do... but you need to understand how the law works - the law punishes behavior, and (excepting DUI) the punishment is only after the harm has occurred.

What you're talking about is enforcing morality. Morality takes the stand that why is as important as what you do - problem with using morality as the law is you can't get people to stop lying about their motive. So we do the next best thing and punish the result of the behavior.