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Fox Shocks: Mono vs Res?

Synthetickiller

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Does anyone have experience running both the monotube & res models?

Monotube: 985-02-009, 985-48-048 (front & rear)
Resevoir: 985-02-091, 985-02-092 (front & rear, not sure if these are correct)

I'm torn between them, but I don't know how the riding characteristics change. I understand what the res does. But, does the res model have less lean in turns or does the ride quality simply not degrade in rough terrain?
These are going on an 08' Alpha. I currently have adjustable Ranchos & the ride is harsh.
 

4speedfunk

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Rancho shocks are great for two weeks. After that they suck hard.
I run Fox res shocks but they are custom valved. A stock IFS does not flex enough to warrant res's but some people still run them. Most Fox shocks can be rebuilt and/or valved to suit your rig.
Most likely you won't find a listing for the H3. Instead you'll need to take measurements, specify the type of connection, then experiment with valving (or have a Fox guy set them up for your vehicle weight).
 
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MTUH3

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You will need to call Fox and see if there is a difference in the valving, if not, then the reservoir does nothing but allow for more fluid capacity, which equals better heat managenment. So unless you are cycling your suspension over and over, there is not much of a benefit.

However, fox has also released a DSC control for some of their reservoir shocks. There will allow you to tune the dampening on the shock with the turn of the knob. Harder setting for small impacts, like street or dirt road, and softer settings for the bigger holes.

If the shock are the same diameter and the same valving, there should be no to little noticeable change, unless you are traveling long distances with a higher than normal amount of bumps.

Personally Fox has become my 3rd shock company. I have used their 2.0 montubes on the H3, their 2.5s with internal bypass and 3.0s with external bypass. Fox coatings and bodies do not hold up to the weather you see in some parts of the country.

BUT they are the only company to really look at the Hummer line up.

I have talked to King a few times, and they have been very good to work with, but until I finalize my plans and shock mounts, no point in buying yet.

Icon Vehicle Dynamics is my favorite shock company, for now, but they do not offer an H3 set up, and would take some investigation. However they use 100% Aluminum bodies, so they hold up really nice. The Icons I now have on my truck look just as good as the day I bought them, my Foxes pitted and rusted in under a month.
 

Synthetickiller

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Thanks for the responses guys.

Rancho shocks are great for two weeks. After that they suck hard.
I run Fox res shocks but they are custom valved. A stock IFS does not flex enough to warrant res's but some people still run them. Most Fox shocks can be rebuilt and/or valved to suit your rig.
Most likely you won't find a listing for the H3. Instead you'll need to take measurements, specify the type of connection, then experiment with valving (or have a Fox guy set them up for your vehicle weight).

Tell me about it. I needed an adjustable shock as the stock ones were blown out. We got the H3 with about 47k miles on it & whoever had it ran it hard. I can tell because I've already had to swap out the anti-sway bar end links. That's a little bit crazy at under 50k. Anyways, the Ranchos suck. I can tell they only have about 2.34 inches of travel (according to BEBE's posts on pirate & other places). I max them on our bad roads. You can just imagine. I didn't know they sucked at the time. I felt they were more of a stop gap. I'll probably ebay them as they only have 2k miles on them.

We have some bad roads down here, but it's not on the same level as offroading. The worst is several miles on the interstate of washboard conditions. I haven't driven it in a long time, but it was horrible. Her H3 won't really go offroad (it's my mother's vehicle), but I've noticed offroad shocks just seem to ride better than stock shocks, in general on almost any vehicle(truck/suv), other than performance cars.

You will need to call Fox and see if there is a difference in the valving, if not, then the reservoir does nothing but allow for more fluid capacity, which equals better heat managenment. So unless you are cycling your suspension over and over, there is not much of a benefit.

However, fox has also released a DSC control for some of their reservoir shocks. There will allow you to tune the dampening on the shock with the turn of the knob. Harder setting for small impacts, like street or dirt road, and softer settings for the bigger holes.

If the shock are the same diameter and the same valving, there should be no to little noticeable change, unless you are traveling long distances with a higher than normal amount of bumps.

Personally Fox has become my 3rd shock company. I have used their 2.0 montubes on the H3, their 2.5s with internal bypass and 3.0s with external bypass. Fox coatings and bodies do not hold up to the weather you see in some parts of the country.

BUT they are the only company to really look at the Hummer line up.

I have talked to King a few times, and they have been very good to work with, but until I finalize my plans and shock mounts, no point in buying yet.

Icon Vehicle Dynamics is my favorite shock company, for now, but they do not offer an H3 set up, and would take some investigation. However they use 100% Aluminum bodies, so they hold up really nice. The Icons I now have on my truck look just as good as the day I bought them, my Foxes pitted and rusted in under a month.

Oh I know the purpose of the res. That's not what I'm questioning. I have read that some state that the same shock with a res somehow causes the vehicle to lean less into turns. I have no idea if this is true. Seems strange to me, as I'd imagine valving would matter much more, but stranger things have happened, so I'd rather ask than assume.

I have a set of adjustable Kings on my H2. Both the front & rear are adjustable. According to King, no one's build a rear adjustable shock before for an H2, so I'm the first. I love everything about them, other than the price & the hassle of working with King. If it was easy, I'd have just emailed them & not bothered with the question here. Let's just say my experience with them was frustrating & nothing was done right, other than the actual production of the shock. I also don't want to wait 3 months to have a set of shocks made, while having to call them weekly to make sure they are building them & actually billing me so they will start production.

The Fox DSC adjuster was an option, originally. I looked into both the 8 click option and the 20-something options vs what King makes. My mother & I weren't really interested in dropping $2500 (for 20-something click of adjustment) again on adjustable shocks for an H3 that won't see anything but highway & roads with rather large potholes & bumps. The fox mono tubes set me back about $480ish, w/ res, closer to $1k.

I've seen good things written about Icon, but I've never spoken to anyone who's run that brand on an H3. It would be nice to know if anyone has. That way, I could just reference the shock & there would be very little time between discussing it & having it built. Custom takes time, but we all know that!

About the Fox body pitting/rusting, are you referring to salting the roads for snow? We don't have salt down here (I'm just out of New Orleans) & if we do have snow, they throw down dirt & everything shuts down. It's not in the budget. I don't drive near the beach enough to cause long term problems. I don't know if I'd have the issues you'd have & that's what making me consider them.




I know a lot of people will scream "buy bilstein," but I'll never deal w/ them again, so I'll just get that out of the way.
 

MTUH3

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This might be a good opportunity to approach Icon. I have attended a number of events with their engineer, as well as their former marketing person (who is still in contact and on good terms). They were willing to use a shock they have on the shelf, with JK valving to start, but I would need to develop my out adapter for the lower control arm mount.

Funny you mention poor responses from King, as I had good and timely feedback from them on a few questions.

As for Fox, we do use salt here, and any Raptor owner above the mid line in the country, has pitting and rust issues. I didn't see a location for you, so I wanted to share incase you were north. I agree you might be OK down south with Fox. I sent my Fox's in last December for a rebuild. The bypass tubes were corroded shut, bodies needed to be completely stripped and re-coated, took over 4 months for the rebuild and turning that time ever responded with updates on the status to me or one of my vendors that works with them, and went I got them back, they didn't even bother to finished the job. I had to install the bearings, dust boot, and the didn't return one of my valve covers.... So I have a real bad taste in my mouth from them. I even had a sponsorship with Fox for a while....

What til you start playing in the 3.0 and larger game.... I can drop $2500 a pair. Cost me $600 just to get my rear 3.0s rebuilt... and those are the standard andjusters

On a side note - I sent another message to one of the guys at Icon to see if they might be interested in looking at this platform again
 
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Synthetickiller

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This might be a good opportunity to approach Icon. I have attended a number of events with their engineer, as well as their former marketing person (who is still in contact and on good terms). They were willing to use a shock they have on the shelf, with JK valving to start, but I would need to develop my out adapter for the lower control arm mount.

Funny you mention poor responses from King, as I had good and timely feedback from them on a few questions.

As for Fox, we do use salt here, and any Raptor owner above the mid line in the country, has pitting and rust issues. I didn't see a location for you, so I wanted to share incase you were north. I agree you might be OK down south with Fox. I sent my Fox's in last December for a rebuild. The bypass tubes were corroded shut, bodies needed to be completely stripped and re-coated, took over 4 months for the rebuild and turning that time ever responded with updates on the status to me or one of my vendors that works with them, and went I got them back, they didn't even bother to finished the job. I had to install the bearings, dust boot, and the didn't return one of my valve covers.... So I have a real bad taste in my mouth from them. I even had a sponsorship with Fox for a while....

What til you start playing in the 3.0 and larger game.... I can drop $2500 a pair. Cost me $600 just to get my rear 3.0s rebuilt... and those are the standard andjusters

On a side note - I sent another message to one of the guys at Icon to see if they might be interested in looking at this platform again

A while ago, I had a Carli suspension for a ram that had 3.0s. Absolutely loved those shocks. If I could have fit those on the H2 w/o modification, I would have.
I ended up selling the truck due to poor service after the sale from the guy who did the install. If I knew as much now, back then, I'd have installed everything myself. The first time I took the truck offroad, it wouldn't stop shaking, at all. I never could get anyone to fix the issue & had to sell it, apart from the tranny starting to go at 17k miles, but that's Chrysler for you.

I've heard FOX has done a turn around in the recent 12 to 18 months b/c they had a really bad reputation for customer service. Was your experience very recent or back then? My beef with King was that no matter how much info I provided, they would sit on it for a long time & then out of the blue ask for more info. I waited a solid 6 weeks without hearing back & I called/emailed a lot. I almost wrote them off. When they finally agreed, their payments department became a nightmare to deal with. You have to fax over a lot of info, including pictures of your CC & driver's license. I'm still not comfortable with doing that & it's entirely unnecessary. Beyond that, I had to call 3 times to force them to bill me. I guess my money isn't green enough, or something... The end product is fantastic. I got an amazing set of shocks, but I have to say, I swore off buying anything custom from King again.

I'd hope Icon could be fast.
I'm not looking to sit 6 to 8 weeks at this stage. That's why I figured if salt isn't going to plague my shocks, I might just go for the monotubes. I took the H3 out on a bad stretch of road & had zero shock fade w/ the Ranchos gonig 65-70 in a 55. The only issue other than crappy ride due to crappy valving is that I bottomed out 3 or 4 times & that's painful.

If they can get back to you tomorrow & show a lot of interest, I'll see. If they aren't too interested & can't match or beat $130 a corner (for monotubes), I'm not sure I'd want to chase a company to do something custom, again.

I do appreciate the help though. If I just had time, sure I'd look into this as Icon seems to have a quality product, but I really don't have the time right now.
 

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I don't think I will hear back from Icon that quick, and I don't think they can beat $130, but if they do / can, I will let you know.

My experience with Fox was about 10 months ago. I know one of their motorsports people also left the company to go someplace else. When I first started working with them back in 2013 or so, service was great. Always responded to emails, answered technical questions, and worked through different ideas with me. (mounting a gas bumps, shock ideas, ext), but then all of a sudden they stopped when I needed to have my 2.5s rebuilt and couldn't promise me a date to get them done (while I was sponsored and trying to get them replaced before a race), Icon came through with a set of 3.0s for a little more than a rebuild + shipping on the Fox's, so I jumped at the chance. Time and cash are what has kept me from swapping out my rear Fox 3.0s to Icon or King.

Sounds like Fox is the way to go for you, IMO. Try spraying them with some Amsoil Metal Protectant. I covered my rear shocks in it when I put them on in April, leaves a goldish / brownish film on them, but so far they look 100% better than 6 months of the last time I installed them. Winter will tell the real story though.

Or you can go and do this....

http://samcofabrication.com/index.php?q=projects&g2_itemId=101

Which I probably would have looked into more already, but still debabting on some other ideas for the front.
 

Synthetickiller

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Thanks for that bit of wisdom.
I'll pick up some of the protectant asap. I can update how they look over time down here. in say 1 month, 3 months & 6 months, just so people see how they hold up.

I really don't get where FOX is coming from. This is why I like to ask instead of reading older posts. If I was looking into anything beyond a monotube, I'd look to Icon or maybe King again if I could stand the frustration. If these shocks don't cut the mustard, but are a better stop gap, I'll be contacting Icon & seeing how they respond sometime in 2017 probably when all of my current "projects" die down. I'm just fighting against time & the vehicle acts as a DD, so it's not as if it can just sit or wait for months. If I'd have known about my predicament 2 or 3 months ago, Icon would have received a few calls by now.

That fabrication mod is nice. Wish I had the funds & time. I'd just be happy to have "normal" mounting points so that I have a better shock selection. That goes for the H2 up front as well.
 

MTUH3

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Thanks for that bit of wisdom.
I'll pick up some of the protectant asap. I can update how they look over time down here. in say 1 month, 3 months & 6 months, just so people see how they hold up.

I really don't get where FOX is coming from. This is why I like to ask instead of reading older posts. If I was looking into anything beyond a monotube, I'd look to Icon or maybe King again if I could stand the frustration. If these shocks don't cut the mustard, but are a better stop gap, I'll be contacting Icon & seeing how they respond sometime in 2017 probably when all of my current "projects" die down. I'm just fighting against time & the vehicle acts as a DD, so it's not as if it can just sit or wait for months. If I'd have known about my predicament 2 or 3 months ago, Icon would have received a few calls by now.

That fabrication mod is nice. Wish I had the funds & time. I'd just be happy to have "normal" mounting points so that I have a better shock selection. That goes for the H2 up front as well.

I completely understand you there! So many things I want to do, but can't until I have the time and or $$$
 
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