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Stereo stays on and drains battery. How to fix?

EvetsNella

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My stereo is staying on even after I take the keys out and close the doors. This causes my battery to drain. Any ideas on how to fix this?


My battery is good (I had it tested at AutoZone).


Edit: This is on a 2007 Hummer H3
 

f5moab

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Do the interior lights remain on too? If yes, then like 650 says, check the door switches; however, if the lights are not on, you might need to get the BCM reprogrammed or replaced. The BCM has sole control over the radio, and turns the radio on/off via the serial data link dependent upon the radio on/off switch. There is no ignition feed for the radio.

However, before having a BCM reprogrammed or replaced, you can also disconnect the battery for a few minutes. NOTE: A battery not powerful enough to start a vehicle can still have enough power to power the BCM. So a total disconnect is the best bet.
 

Neo

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let me guess you have a six disc changer. that happened when my disc changer kept killing the battery. there is info on a colorado canyon forum i found a few years back when mine went bad. after swapping out the six disc and replacing the battery all was fine.
 
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Turn it off everytime you get out of the truck, or pull the radio and add a kill switch that you can access and turn the power off from. Or add a progard unit I believe it's called, I can find out the name for sure, which is a module you add between the truck battery and the positive connecting cable to the battery, and what it does is that as soon as it senses an excessive power lose or draining below the 12v, it shuts off/disconnects the battery and it will reconnect/reactivate the truck battery as soon as it senses the truck ignition key being turned on. It's a device commonly used in emergency vehicles.
 

cbetts

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My BCM acts flaky with my radio. It always turns off but sometimes will not turn on. There is a serial data bus from the computer that sends event signals for various purposes. Apparently, mine doesn't get the power-on signal. Try turning the key on and off a few times to see if the signal gets there.

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Cowboy

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It may just be ignition switch. Off to ACC is very close. Maybe just a conscious effort to turn key all the way back before removing key.


Can't make it through the day? Back up, and get a run at it!
 
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If the RAP (retained accessory power) is working correctly, it should cut-off power about 20 minutes after the ignition is switched off regardless of the door being opened. The door switch is OK if it turns the interior light on. Check the RAP function by turning on the front wipers with the key ON, then turn the key OFF and open the door. The wipers should stay on until the door opens. If they don't stop, check the RAP relay (fuse block), or have the BCM checked.

If the stereo is aftermarket, the installer may have cut costs with a cheap harness that bypasses the BCM data link needed for RAP to control the audio head. Requires pulling the head to check (not as bad as it sounds...pop the fascia off and remove four screws).

Also check the battery terminals. The OEM connectors are crap and often have bad contact, and are notorious for causing a host of electrical gremlins including poor charging, aggravated by what would be a grossly undersized battery in real world terms.
 
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f5moab

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The factory radio in the H3 is not part of the retained accessory power (RAP) circuit. The only power to the radio is via a constant Hot at All Times B+ circuit through the RDO fuse. The on/off function of the radio (other than the manual on/off switch on the radio) is via the BCM and a turn on/off signal from the BCM via the serial data link.

NEO has a point, it could be the radio if the six disc model. I remember we swapped it out with an almost new radio and all was well. If the internals of the radio short out the direct feed from the battery will kill the battery!

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SERIAL DATA CIRCUIT

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f5moab

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let me guess you have a six disc changer. that happened when my disc changer kept killing the battery. there is info on a colorado canyon forum i found a few years back when mine went bad. after swapping out the six disc and replacing the battery all was fine.

I remember that...NOW!
 

650Hawk

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Hmmm..., according to the manual, the stereo IS part of the Retained Accessory Power system (likely through the BCM). From the owner's manual:

Retained Accessory Power (RAP)

These vehicle accessories can be used for up
to 20 minutes after the engine is turned off:

-Audio System
-Front Wipers
-Power Windows
-Sunroof (if equiped)

These features will work when the key is in ON/RUN or
ACC/ACCESSORY. Once the key is turned from
ON/RUN to LOCK/OFF, these features continue working
for up to 20 minutes or until a door is opened.
 
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SedonaBound

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The factory radio in the H3 is not part of the retained accessory power (RAP) circuit.
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I disagree. The B+ voltage is electronically switched on and off internally in the audio head by a serial data signal from the BCM. It also powers the memory and the clock full time. AFAIK, every H3 factory radio turns off when the door is opened or within 20 minutes of ignition OFF and that's RAP. The manual also states that audio is on RAP.
 
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f5moab

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I disagree. The B+ voltage is electronically switched on and off internally in the audio head by a serial data signal from the BCM. If that were true, the radio would lose the clock memory!
It also powers the memory and the clock full time. AFAIK, every H3 factory radio turns off when the door is opened or within 20 minutes of ignition OFF and that's RAP. The manual also states that audio is on RAP.

I think the main problem is, I'm talking totally technical and you are not. You might call it the RAP circuit, some moron contractor who wrote the Hummer owner manual might call it a RAP circuit function, but it is NOT technically a RAP function. Below you will see a RAP circuit diagram for the H3, and it shows NO RADIO on the RAP circuit. (GM manuals were written by contractors working for contract houses and were very seldom passed by GM engineering for review. They were passed through GM legal for content. Most of those moron who wrote GM manuals probably thought RAP pertained to a song.)

The power to the radio is directly from the battery. It is noted as B+ in the diagram and B+ denotes direct from the battery! If the radio was manually turned On via the switch when the H3's ignition is turned to On, the BCM signals the internal computer within the Radio to supply power from the B+ circuit to the circuitry that controls audio, display, etc. That signal will also go to the amplifier and Onstar module if so equipped.

When the ignition is turned Off, and the door is opened, or if after approx. 20 minutes, the BCM will turn off the radio by signalling the radio's computer, again via the serial data link. However, it does NOT shut down the B+ signal into the radio in order to maintain the clock setting and possibly the radio stations (can't remember if the stations are affected or are on a non-volatile memory chip).

As for the actual RAP circuit, that is controlled via a RAP relay. When the BCM supplies a ground to the RAP/ACCY relay the circuit is closed, the relay closes and B+ is supplied to the components as shown in the diagram and not one of those components say radio!


The RAP circuit is comprised of (note there are two or three circuits not shown for GM SPO accessories that can be added at a different time):
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The reason this is all brought up is that since the Radio is not part of the RAP circuit, if the door is opened/closed and the interior lights go out, but the radio remains on, it is most likely not a door jamb switch problem since the door jamb switch is the main input to the BCM to shut off the radio and turn off the RAP circuit, and if the radio remains on it is most likely a fault of the BCM or like NEO jogged my memory, the internals of the radio. Sometimes, just like any computer, a reload of the software to the BCM will stop the computer farts. And when diagnosing electrical circuits you have to narrow down the problem and taking the radio away from the actual RAP circuit helps a hell of a lot.

However, I have not seen the OP come back and clear up some of the questions, such as is it a stock or aftermarket radio, do the light go out when the door is closed and the radio remains on. Without that info, it can be hard to even come close to a diagnosis.
 

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650Hawk

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None of what you say is Greek to me; I'm an electrical engineer. But the fact that the radio doesn't show up in the RAP circuit does not mean that it is not part of the RAP system. By definition, the "Retained Accessory Power" feature retains power to the four items I listed (including the radio). We know that that is true since the radio does indeed stay on after removing the key (until opening the door). It's just that it does it for the radio through the BCM, since the radio is the only one of those four accessories that require constant power.

While it is part of the RAP "system", your technical distinction that it is not part of the RAP "circuit" is in fact valid for the purposes of troubleshooting the issue at hand.


Unfortunately, as you say, the OP has yet to clarify several things that would help to diagnose what is causing his problem.
 
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