~10 years after the launch of the War in Iraq...

[RuggedH2]

I participated in this poll on another forum and was surprised at the results.

I wanted to see what the results would be on this site... I suspect it's a different demographic.

 

[deserth3]

I think we should have taken him out the first time. Those of us with a clue knew we would be going back.
Should have done it when we had a very large cold war army.

 

[RuggedH2]

I know I just posted this... but right now it has almost 40 views and only three votes.

It is a private poll... I don't think anybody can see who voted for what (I know I can't). It shows what was voted for, but not who voted for which option.

Besides there is no right or wrong answer... just individual opinions to the question. Hell, we all think we are right anyway... don't we?

 

[Gunner_45]

Poll voting is PRIVATE unless set otherwise.........and with no need for voter validation, not even the staff has reason to look.

As for lack of votes........Maybe some folks need to mull it over a bit.

 

[Bigunit]

I cast my vote! :thumbs:

 

[Sircode13]

I didn't see any link for the poll here on the forum, while using tapatalk.


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[alrock]

I admit I'm less aware than many but I my opinion is strongly for Iraq, undecided on Afghanistan. After seeing how a new police officer in Afghanistan took his newly awarded pistol and shot three people, including two American soldiers, I can't see how Afghanistan will ever work for us. At the same time, I can see how it was the right decision at the time, but can we achieve a graceful exit?

 

[alrock]

BTW, polls are always private unless the OP sets it up otherwise.

 

[RuggedH2]

Alrock, I would like to keep this thread about Iraq, but I just read a great book called "The only thing worth dying for" about Afghanistan.

"Fawked up like an Afghan convoy" sprung to my mind when I read your post. Anyone who has read that book would understand.

Anyway, I'm still very curious to find out how our Hummer driving "demographic" feels about our efforts in Iraq.

Please feel free to post any thoughts you all feel comfortable with also... about the decision or the war, or even the outcome.

I will wade in... but I didn't want to bias any voting early with my thoughts... I want to know what others think.

 

[3Hummers]

I think that going after the Taliban ans Al Queda after 9.11 was absolutely the right thing to do. I think Desert Storm was the right thing to do and agree with Desert, we should have taken Saddam out the first time. I thought so then and still do.

 

[cgalpha08]

IMHO military action was definitely needed, but we needed to actually kill people and instate martial law, essentially f*** sh** up. Or give said nations an ultimatum, saying get the terrorists out of your country in a certain time period, or we'll do this, and drop a nuke in the desert somewhere as an example of what would happen. Then when they didnt comply, turn their cities into glass.

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[Green 1]

No doubt we should be there and the only thing wrong about it is we have had our hands tied by our own government and not allowed to go kick -Ass the way we should have. Those that complain about civilians being killed need to understandd the men and women of the US services were civilians until they decided to put their life on the line for all of us. I would rather see others killed than our own troups.

 

[Neo]

I agree with Desert , we should of gone all the way into baghdad the first time ... since we did'nt it was just a matter of time before going back . not so sure we should of stood down so soon .

this just from today : Bradenton Herald‎ - 9 hours ago
BAGHDAD — Gunmen killed six people in Iraq on Saturday, raiding two
homes in a northern city in yet another bout of violence to strike the

also between 30 and 40 were blown up a few days ago , but hey , atleast they are killing each other .

 

[RuggedH2]

Thanks for voting and posting here you guys.

There are only 17 votes so far, but these results are close to what I was suspecting. I think that if we had a larger sample size here, the results would still trend similar to what we have now.

I originally came across this poll on a forum loaded full of doctors, lawyers, professors, engineers, and others with advanced graduate degrees. The results there were significantly different than what is trending here.

That hasn't surprised me. What did surprise me was how much disrespect I perceived in that thread, for the military, from them. I realized that demographic is stereotyped as holding a bias against the military, but was surprised at how a few actually stated an open contempt (mostly lawyers). They seemed oblivious to their own biases and made no attempt at objectivity.

The military didn't create the mission. The country sent them. The military did the work. No human effort is ever perfect, but I was shocked to see contempt for the guys on the ground making sacrifices and working their butts off in an effort their country asked of them.

 

[Neo]

college phucked em all up man ... :shame::cheers:

 

[JGBB04]

I agree with the others, should've done it right the first time. And feel we jerked around too long the second time. Invading another country is not a nice thing so why dick around with stupid political rules of engagement trying to be nice about it.

& Neo what the heck are you doing reading the Bradentucky herald

 

[3Hummers]

Over educated fools Jeff

 

[Neo]

Bradentucky herald LOLOL !!!! i get news from many outlets , i did a google search for " iraq today " well it was yesterday and that was at the top :cheers:

 

[Paladine71]

Thanks for voting and posting here you guys.

There are only 17 votes so far, but these results are close to what I was suspecting. I think that if we had a larger sample size here, the results would still trend similar to what we have now.

I originally came across this poll on a forum loaded full of doctors, lawyers, professors, engineers, and others with advanced graduate degrees. The results there were significantly different than what is trending here.

That hasn't surprised me. What did surprise me was how much disrespect I perceived in that thread, for the military, from them. I realized that demographic is stereotyped as holding a bias against the military, but was surprised at how a few actually stated an open contempt (mostly lawyers). They seemed oblivious to their own biases and made no attempt at objectivity.

The military didn't create the mission. The country sent them. The military did the work. No human effort is ever perfect, but I was shocked to see contempt for the guys on the ground making sacrifices and working their butts off in an effort their country asked of them.

Education level has no bearing on actual intelligence or wisdom. It's easy to sit in the halls of academia and throw stones at something that you yourself have never done. They know only theory and think as a group. They have no real experience. That is why college is so dangerous. We have fools indoctrinating our youth to be fools. We will pay a high price for that.

 

[RuggedH2]

Well guys... I'm not against college education and graduate degrees.

I see that education is designed to open your mind to possibilities that you might not have considered before. The people I speak of were not all against the military, some came in defense of my position. Including one very well spoken graduate of West Point. Another lawyer sent me a PM to explain his embarrassment at the position others had taken.

I am impressed with the way those with graduate degrees can frame their arguments, and express their positions with words. They are very articulate and eloquent, they can also be extremely persuasive.

However, they are just as human as everybody else. Many seem to believe their education elevates them above others.

If they can take the contributions and sacrifices of others for granted... It is my opinion that their education has been largely wasted.

 

[ReconH3]

If they can take the contributions and sacrifices of others for granted... It is my opinion that their education has been largely wasted.

I've learned more from life and experiences shared, than at any educational institution.



"Ex Umbris Venimus"

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[Green 1]

I've learned more from life and experiences shared, than at any educational institution.



"Ex Umbris Venimus"

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Jeff I agree but most thta are going to School now do not have the same perspective as you did. As time has gone on our education system teaches a much more liberal approach. I do not undestand why we change facts every few years to meet a political or ethnic agenda. The facts did not change after 200 years. We may need to add a few things reseachers have been able to prove but not change the whole landscape of American history. My youngest daughter is appluing for school in Colorado and we had the talk about liberalism and truth.

 

[Kurt]

Colleges? Fancy book learnin?

 

[RuggedH2]

I didn't intend to point this thread in an anti-education direction either. (Show your tribe an enemy)

I understand what many of you are saying here. I agree with Paladine that many in academia think as a group. (Maybe our "demographic" does too?)

What we see depends on where we stand.

Experience has been the best teacher I've ever had.

I believe the best thing about education is opening your mind to new possibilities, considerations, and ways of doing things. It also helps to be able to clearly articulate your point of view.

In the end, education combined with real experience is a powerful combination. It only works when you think for yourself, and choose solutions that actually work and apply in the real world. Some consensus among decision makers is also important to success.

The circumstances in Iraq were very complicated. It's too easy to be the critic, it's a much more difficult thing to apply the planning to the ground and make progress appear through the chaos and challenge of tens of thousands willing to die in an effort to prevent your success.