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H3 Air bag deployment problem

frumaker

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So Sunday my side air bags went off for no good reason. The dealership is telling me that they will not cover the work because the vehicle told them a code that says there was a reason the air bags went off. They said this is an uncommon problem and I must have done something to cause it.

They also said they found a dent on my front skid plate that could have caused it.

The warranty girl also said since I have mud spray on the vehicle I must have been doing something to cause the air bags to deploy.

Can anyone offer some insight on what they have ran into when their air bags deployed for no reason.

Thank you


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SuperBuickGuy

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check the sensor - it's possible (as in, me winning the lottery is possible even though I don't play).... the sensor is located about dead center of the radiator on a metal support rod - see if it's been tweaked or hit. grasping at straws here - if you hit something hard enough, and in the right spot on the front plate - it could force the core support up, tweak the sensor toward the radiator and cause deployment (and I could have won the lotto...)
 

3Hummers

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While not common GM has dealt with this issue for years with the side airbags going off with people on dirt roads, etc. One guy was just at an angle and they said the rollover sensor deployed the airbags. Some they have fixed under warranty but any excuse to not pay they have taken. The skid plate dent happened at Bridgeport a year ago if I remember correctly. No air bag deployment. Mud...could have happened in your driveway.Tell the lametards to man up and fix the truck.
 

frumaker

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Well round 2 was better. Talked to the manager. Pointed something out to him that the mechanic didn't tell him about. He's gonna call the district rep. Otherwise I can call the gm investigators. I pointed out an article that I found from the NHTSA that says this has happened on H3's between the years 2007-2009. We will see.


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Gunner_45

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Good luck with your issue brother.

I'm just glad the damn thing did not give you a concussion or blow out an eardrum.

At one of the Sewell HUMMER happenings years back, we had one deploy.
Thank goodness the couple driving the truck had handed off their infant for safe keeping prior to attempting the obstacle.
Said Obstacle: Nothing more than a low speed whoop-D-doo designed to get a wheel 2 feet off the ground and excite newbies.
Low Lock speeds, no impact of any sort, no crazy angle.
BOOM.

Sewell replaced everything from the bags to the head-liner under warranty.

BTW: Are there any air bag fuses that can be pulled prior to wheeling and if so, any risks in doing that?
 

Kyle

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I had this happen to me, call gmcorporate, file a claim. They should cover it, they fixed everything on mine, new bags, sensors, and even gave me a check to go get a new headliner put in!
 

Kyle

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Good luck with your issue brother.

I'm just glad the damn thing did not give you a concussion or blow out an eardrum.

At one of the Sewell HUMMER happenings years back, we had one deploy.
Thank goodness the couple driving the truck had handed off their infant for safe keeping prior to attempting the obstacle.
Said Obstacle: Nothing more than a low speed whoop-D-doo designed to get a wheel 2 feet off the ground and excite newbies.
Low Lock speeds, no impact of any sort, no crazy angle.
BOOM.

Sewell replaced everything from the bags to the head-liner under warranty.

BTW: Are there any air bag fuses that can be pulled prior to wheeling and if so, any risks in doing that?

Yea there is a fuse under the hood, it's a pain in the ass, I marked the fuse so I know which one to pull
 

frumaker

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Thanks for the words of wisdom. After speaking with the service manager, I feel he will give it a valid effort so I'm gonna give him a chance. I have other avenues of approach to try if he fails.

Sadly, this experience has or me considering saying bye to my hummer. I've had too many BS problems lately and this one could have been bad. I'm not worried a out my safety but what I'd my wife had been driving or even riding. Not worth other people's safety. I am fine with putting myself in danger as I do quite of especially at work.

Thanks again to all. I'll keep this updated as it goes along.


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f5moab

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I'll explain something to you, if it helps out with getting GM to pay the claim, so be it.
First, let's rule out the front discriminating sensors they have NOTHING to do with the deployment of side air curtains. The sensor(s) in the front are discriminating sensors, they are used to signal the SDM (sensing and diagnostic module) if a stage 2 deployment of the FRONT air bags is necessary. These sensors CANNOT signal an air bag deployment; only thing that can signal and actual deployment of the front air bags is the SDM! So DON'T mention that to GM.

Now, onto the side air curtains. There are two ways they can deploy as programmed. One is the side air bag sensor, located in the B-pillar is crushed in an accident. This would be easy to note, since the B-pillar would have some massive damage to it. This is the side curtain deployment.

Second way is a triggered rollover of the vehicle. The rollover sensor will signal a possible rollover, SDM will make a determination from the signal as to if it needs to deploy the side bags. During a signaled rollover event, both side curtains will deploy and unlike standard side air curtains, with a rollover type system, the bags will remain deployed for a longer period of time. (Another discussion for another time.)

There are a few ways this system can fire off the side air curtains due other reasons.
One, the rollover sensor is defective and noted a possible rollover. This does happen at times when offroading. It should not happen, but GM likes to blame you so your insurance company will pay. My opinion has always been tough **** GM, this vehicle is designed to go off road and it should not deploy a side curtain unless you are actually over 45 degrees from upright. Another way is if someone screws around with the wiring and deploys a bag. That's usually quite apparent since it happens while you are playing around with the wrong circuits ii the wiring harnesses. And usually only the bag you tap into will deploy since they are all on separate circuits.

GM should pay for the simple reason there is NO damage, and no one tapped into any wiring. As for mud; damn you can get mud on a major interstate if it rains hard enough. As far as the code...well anytime air bags or air curtains are deployed by the SDM there are CODES set in the SDM (and transferred to the BCM). Other than if you connect a hot to a deployment wire when messing with the wiring, there is a code. In fact, air bag deployment codes (most, not all) cannot be wiped from the computer, a new SDM must be installed.

So, my humble opinion is, and always has been, if there is NOT visible damage to the side B-pillar, or there is no evidence of a rollover, GM is responsible and need to pay for the repair. Anything other than that, is a crock of BS; which GM is great at slinging around.
 

frumaker

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Thank you F5. The side air bags did stay inflated for a few minutes without deflating at all. I will use your info for sure.


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SuperBuickGuy

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Well round 2 was better. Talked to the manager. Pointed something out to him that the mechanic didn't tell him about. He's gonna call the district rep. Otherwise I can call the gm investigators. I pointed out an article that I found from the NHTSA that says this has happened on H3's between the years 2007-2009. We will see.


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they told me to pound sand - my roll over sensor said it deployed the bags but it didn't - just cost me $700.00 to replace the module..... but I reported it to the NHTSA, so who knows, maybe something good will come of it.
 

frumaker

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they told me to pound sand - my roll over sensor said it deployed the bags but it didn't - just cost me $700.00 to replace the module..... but I reported it to the NHTSA, so who knows, maybe something good will come of it.

Well I'm not gonna let this go or deal with a BS answer. I will push this to the max. I have a lot of stuff in the works in case they still screw with me.


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chad

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well whatever happens dont get rid of the hummer! at the very least pull the fuses while out playing around.
 

f5moab

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they told me to pound sand - my roll over sensor said it deployed the bags but it didn't - just cost me $700.00 to replace the module..... but I reported it to the NHTSA, so who knows, maybe something good will come of it.

Good idea. NHTSA logs these complaints. It takes quite a few to get them off their bureaucratic butts, but once they get enough complaints then they file with GM for documentation. That's one reason why GM likes insurance companies to pay; no log in the dealer system for a GM pay on the item. So, if anyone has had this happen and has not reported it, do so.
 

SickStringC

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well whatever happens dont get rid of the hummer! at the very least pull the fuses while out playing around.

Anyone have a photo indicating which fuse is the one to pull? I assume it would be obvious from the diagram on the inside of the fuse box, but a previous comment indicated it's a pain in the ass. Seems like pulling the fuse is a damn near 'must do' as a preventative measure that we should all be considering when wheeling. If Fru's head were out of the window looking at the trail ahead when the side curtain bags deployed, I don't even want to imagine what would have happened.
 

f5moab

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Anyone have a photo indicating which fuse is the one to pull? I assume it would be obvious from the diagram on the inside of the fuse box, but a previous comment indicated it's a pain in the ass. Seems like pulling the fuse is a damn near 'must do' as a preventative measure that we should all be considering when wheeling. If Fru's head were out of the window looking at the trail ahead when the side curtain bags deployed, I don't even want to imagine what would have happened.

I've done some serious off-roading and never pulled a fuse, so it is NOT a common issue when you consider how many miles H3s have put on serious roads vs. how many deployments there have been. But in my opinion one is too many.

As for the fuse. Pulling the actual fuse is no problem and the diagrams shows where it is. Problem with H3s is pulling off the fuse panel cover and not breaking one of the retention clips; especially after the plastic has been heated a few thousand times and gets brittle.
 

frumaker

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I have now spoken with gm corporate. They will call me in 5-7 business days and I'm sure then pass the buck on someone else who will call me in 2 business days. All in the meantime I have a pedal bike to ride around on


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Kyle

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I have now spoken with gm corporate. They will call me in 5-7 business days and I'm sure then pass the buck on someone else who will call me in 2 business days. All in the meantime I have a pedal bike to ride around on


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Get ready, 5-7 days mean 15-17. Trust me. It's literally like government work! Some guy will come out and inspect the car, another 7 days someone will call you telling you about the inspection and Inform you about waiting another 7 days for someone else to call you.
 

amrg

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I've been wheeling my 3 several times each year for 5 years now, never even thought about pulling the fuse, and its mostly really fast stuff with truck bouncing around the entire time.
But if some of u guys had this issue, then maybe I should look into it too
 

frumaker

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I got a call from the third party inspector. They are looking at my vehicle today. So hopefully someone pulls their head out of their a$$.


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chaos254

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So what fuse should we be pulling when going offroad? I know this is not super common but its definitely a major hassle if its your vehicle. Hopefully GM makes it right!

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