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lc7404

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Hi was curious if any members are doing conversion for other members. No I don't expect for free
 
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HumGee

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I m not sure it is clear what you are asking about.

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HumGee

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I m assuming you are aware of the led bulb conversions you can get on Amazon for your headlights. It's as easy as changing a bulb. Very nice upgrade, a lot brighter and whiter.

I put these in the other day:

H13/9008 LED Headlight Bulbs Super Bright 60W 7600LM Hi/Lo Beam Auto Headlamp Conversion Kit 12V 6000K White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079FKV97D?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

Along with these in the fogs:

SiriusLED 9005 9145 H10 Size Projection LED Super Bright 30W 6000K White Fog Light DRL Bulb Pack of 2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N6D7K38?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf


Hope this helps. Sorry if you were talking about something different.

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Do LEDs work well in the stock housing? I always thought you'd blind people and the light output wouldn't be as good as halogens if you put LEDs in the reflector housing.
 
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I always feel like ramming into people who have those stupid bulbs in a halogen housing, People think all that glare is actually brighter. All your actually doing is blinding everyone else.
 
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HumGee

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If the headlights are adjusted properly then no they dont. Halogens can be blinding too when not adjusted.

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HumGee

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I ve seen the after market led headlights on jeeps not adjusted right either and they are blinding too. YouTube how to properly adjust your headlights when you put the led bulb in and you wont get rammed by road raged drivers. If we all do our part to setup our equipment correctly....

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Acer4LO

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Traxx said:
I always feel like ramming into people who have those stupid bulbs in a halogen housing, People think all that glare is actually brighter. All your actually doing is blinding everyone else.
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Lol if I see anyone running HIDs in a halogen housing, I go out of my way to get behind them and turn on my Hi-Beams
 
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HumGee

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Acer4LO said:
Lol if I see anyone running HIDs in a halogen housing, I go out of my way to get behind them and turn on my Hi-Beams
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Lol, not sure who's more the ******* in that scenario. The person who might not know better or the person that "goes out of their way"

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mdocod

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HumGee said:
I m assuming you are aware of the led bulb conversions you can get on Amazon for your headlights. It's as easy as changing a bulb. Very nice upgrade, a lot brighter and whiter.

I put these in the other day:

H13/9008 LED Headlight Bulbs Super Bright 60W 7600LM Hi/Lo Beam Auto Headlamp Conversion Kit 12V 6000K White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079FKV97D?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

Along with these in the fogs:

SiriusLED 9005 9145 H10 Size Projection LED Super Bright 30W 6000K White Fog Light DRL Bulb Pack of 2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N6D7K38?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf


Hope this helps. Sorry if you were talking about something different.

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A 6000K LED is well into the blue tinted spectrum for white and is a waste for use in outdoor earthly environments. 4300K is typical OEM color temp for HID's / LED's for a reason.

There is no way to adjust/implement any current LED technology to work in a street-safe manner (for you or other drivers) in a reflector housing engineered for a specific halogen bulb filament shape at this time. As LED efficiency and flux density improves, this may change in the future.

You're likely getting more foreground illumination and more side illumination, which combined with the higher color temp is tricking you into thinking it is brighter. In reality your ability to identify an object in the road at 50-100m+ has been diminished significantly. Doesn't matter how you adjust them you are blinding other drivers with high glare and poorly controlled cutoff.

Please put your halogens back in until you can afford a proper DOT compliant headlight assembly replacement using HID or LED.
 
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HumGee

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mdocod said:
A 6000K LED is well into the blue tinted spectrum for white and is a waste for use in outdoor earthly environments. 4300K is typical OEM color temp for HID's / LED's for a reason.

There is no way to adjust/implement any current LED technology to work in a street-safe manner (for you or other drivers) in a reflector housing engineered for a specific halogen bulb filament shape at this time. As LED efficiency and flux density improves, this may change in the future.

You're likely getting more foreground illumination and more side illumination, which combined with the higher color temp is tricking you into thinking it is brighter. In reality your ability to identify an object in the road at 50-100m+ has been diminished significantly. Doesn't matter how you adjust them you are blinding other drivers with high glare and poorly controlled cutoff.

Please put your halogens back in until you can afford a proper DOT compliant headlight assembly replacement using HID or LED.
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Lol. Ok thanks.

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JPaul

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Diode Dynamics (one of the forum sponsors) is working on a LED bulb replacement that is supposed to have the same characteristics as the halogen bulbs as far as light emittance angles or whatever the terms are so that the light coming out of them is virtually the same pattern as the halogen bulb. Conceivably this means that you can put one of those in a halogen housing and it will work correctly. It's taking time to get it right though, I'm sure it's not a simple task.

mdocod is right though, virtually every LED bulb replacement is only a best guess with the light placement and it does reflect differently in the housings that were designed for halogen bulbs. It's not just a simple matter of aiming your headlights lower or something, the beam pattern is drastically altered with the different light source for a number of reasons. You do get more scatter and glare with a LED replacement in a halogen housing, and less of it actually going where you really need it, which is down the road itself. Plus, our eyes are less sensitive to blue light, so the higher temp colors will actually appear dimmer than a warmer color and will require more lumens to compensate. Plus most, if not all, of the LED replacements have very overstated lumen output and generally are much lower than they claim to be.

If you want to get an even sterning talking to go over to candlepowerforums.com and ask the same question, or save yourself the embarrassment and just search the forum for other's same questions. The mods on that forum are pretty much all lighting engineers or similar. Not some random Joe fawning over the latest Chinese light bar. These are guys that have spent their lives studying light and how to control it. Great info.
 
TonkaToy

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JPaul said:
Diode Dynamics (one of the forum sponsors) is working on a LED bulb replacement that is supposed to have the same characteristics as the halogen bulbs as far as light emittance angles or whatever the terms are so that the light coming out of them is virtually the same pattern as the halogen bulb. Conceivably this means that you can put one of those in a halogen housing and it will work correctly. It's taking time to get it right though, I'm sure it's not a simple task.

mdocod is right though, virtually every LED bulb replacement is only a best guess with the light placement and it does reflect differently in the housings that were designed for halogen bulbs. It's not just a simple matter of aiming your headlights lower or something, the beam pattern is drastically altered with the different light source for a number of reasons. You do get more scatter and glare with a LED replacement in a halogen housing, and less of it actually going where you really need it, which is down the road itself. Plus, our eyes are less sensitive to blue light, so the higher temp colors will actually appear dimmer than a warmer color and will require more lumens to compensate. Plus most, if not all, of the LED replacements have very overstated lumen output and generally are much lower than they claim to be.

If you want to get an even sterning talking to go over to candlepowerforums.com and ask the same question, or save yourself the embarrassment and just search the forum for other's same questions. The mods on that forum are pretty much all lighting engineers or similar. Not some random Joe fawning over the latest Chinese light bar. These are guys that have spent their lives studying light and how to control it. Great info.
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Looking into upgrading my headlights do you know if ever got this LED bulb available to purchase? Do you have them JPaul.
 
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JPaul

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That's an HID kit, non projector. It is not what I was referring to. Their SL1 LED bulbs are, they are supposed to provide a proper and legal beam pattern in OEM halogen reflector housings (so the stock headlights). Right now they don't appear to have one for the H13 bulb that our H3's use, but they do have several others now.

I emailed them this morning to find out if and when they'd have a H13 bulb available. $150 for a proper LED using the stock reflectors is a pretty sweet deal.

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JPaul

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Received this reply:


Hello,

Thanks for reaching out to us! We actually will be releasing the SL2 early next year hopefully that will feature more bulb sizes such as the H13. We are currently making prototypes of them at this point and finishing the design phase. Unfortunately, we do not have a firm date yet but we will be releasing them hopefully sooner rather than later.

Sorry about that but let us know if you have any more questions or concerns.

Best Regards,


Josh S.
Diode Dynamics
 
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