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Bad idle, p0335, new sensor

fowlken8

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Hello. New development. I did know that the crank shaft position sensor was replaced, the seller was overly transparent. He gave me the box with the old sensor Ave the autozone receipt.

The 500 mile drive home was fine. Now I'm getting weird crank issues and hard starting. It's doing the ghost cranking too; won't turn over then cranks by itself until it starts. I don't want to mess anything up and it's made a hollow tin clunk sound once.

I got code p0335, crankshaft position sensor error. I read there is a relearn process and am not positive that was done. The harness looks just fine as well.

I get a dipping idle when at a stop or coming to a stop. It's died once and started back up.

Any advice? I have a nice code reader that shows live data if that can help me monitor a value.
 

Jeepwalker

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You 'could' possibly have multiple things going on. I was having a dipping-idle situation going on for a year until I decided to take action. And, yeah, sometimes it would die at a stop sign. I figured it was going to be a bigger fix, but it wasn't. Per advice on the forum, the solution (for me) was surprisingly simple to resolve; 1) Cleaned a fairly carboned-up throttle body, and, 2) Cleaned the MAF sensor (with proper cleaner). IDK if the MAF sensor was actually dirty or not, but I had the cleaner on hand so gave it a few squirts. 3) New spark plugs (the old ones were just on the lower edge of 'ok'. Also, I noticed, the previous owner didn't have the air cleaner hose clamp/rubber snorkle on properly at the throttle body, and possibly a small amt of un-metered air was getting past the MAF. Regardless, you might inspect the throttle body and butterfly plates for build-up. If it works/helps, it's a relatively simple/inexpensive fix.

I can't say about the start issue. Battery connections and grounds are hyper-critical on these rigs ...so give your cables a good look.
 
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720H

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Me too probly got a few things going on. You said in the other post have an air intake Volant. Theres posts on the web that particular one can cause trouble in idle. They dont make them anymore. One rig I looked at lately the owner had one said it was on and off several times but now is off but would include it with the truck for that reason I would guess but he didnt say. Would also check around for vacuum leak
 

alrock

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Is the part that you got AC Delco or aftermarket? May be worth trying an AC Delco part. But I'd also check the PCM connections and hope you don't have a bad one. Make sure they are tight, maybe pull them off and verify no bent pins and no corrosion. Not likely to find those issues, but if the connectors were off and were not reinstalled properly that could be an issue.
 

fowlken8

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I cleaned the throttle body...filthy. I cleaned the MAF, it looked a bit dirty nothing horrible.

I do believe the part is ac/delco.

I do have a volant cold air intake, might be my lack of knowledge, but how could that cause the idle issue? The filter on it was disgusting and I cleaned it last night.

Vacuum leak....ugh. Just weird, the idle won't jump around immediately, but after 3-5 minutes of driving or so. Just so annoying. Engine sounds beautiful, shifts are smooth.

Battery is a new yellow-top and the connections look clean, I'll double check though. I looked at a couple grounds yesterday and all looked well. I have not checked spark plugs yet though!
 
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fowlken8

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Cleaned everything. Didn't have idle issues for a couple of days. Today I had it dip once. I'm getting curious and annoyed lol when trying to start it, one time, it didn't even turn over and reminded me of when you have a dead battery... One single click and no crank
 

Jeepwalker

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You mean, you cleaned the battery connections? The no-start sounds unrelated (possibly). You might also:

1) wiggle all of the fuses to ensure they are properly seated and no oxidation under the contacts. Inspect/wiggle the PCM harnness connections

2) Quadruple check grounds again, and loosen/re-tighten the starter wire

3) Keep an eye on your starter solenoid. It's possible it is starting to fail. (it could act how you describe). If its an original starter, over time, the copper contacts inside the solenoid corrode away. Each time the starter is engaged, there is sparking the precise moment the two contacts meet. Over time the arcing wears the contacts down to the point where it can't quite get a good connection. During the initial stages it can create an 'intermittent' crank/no-crank situation.

4) Starter switch? The starter is engaged after the switch tells the PCM to engage the starter.

5) Have your battery load-tested. About 3 weeks ago I ran a number of errands in town. Went to a half dozen stores in my pick-up (not H3) to get supplies. Got to the jobsite, all was well till the end of the day, no-start! A lot of wierd dash light blinking and bad fuse warnings on the cluster message center. Yeah it was really frustrating, like you say, b/c for me I worked late that day ...till dark, and everyone had left. I wiggled all the wires, connections, ohmed out the fuses (I happened to have a multimeter in the truck), no difference. Fortunately it was fairly close to home, had wife pick me up. The internet is full of "Failed PCM" stories and fixes. Next day charged the battery up for hours, still nothing. Put a battery load tester on it later on -- voltage was right on, load test was a MAJOR FAIL. Needle dropped like a rock. Battery was old, but not that old. This truck isn't off-roaded and rides like a car. Battery must have broken apart internally. New battery and she's 100% now. Maybe pick up a Harbor Freight batt load tester or see if Autozone can test yours. Just to be sure. Esp with electric brakes, perhaps putting yer foot on the brakes (as you go to re-start), possibly it could draw enough current that a weak battery could 'flake out' a pcm signal. (just speculation)

6) Check you spark plugs for worn edges, or perhaps a platinum electrode (node) may have fallen off.

7) Vacuum and/or PCV. I had a vehicle with a hole in a cracked plastic PCV pipe that would cause erratic idle.

8) Possibly you might ohm out the coil packs. That wouldn't cause a no-start, but could lead to a rough idle.

9) Consider PCM (after you've exhausted everything else) -- Generally speaking everyone thinks 'black-box' is the problem right away, but it rarely is. It's the last thing on the list I would personally pursue, personally, but if you suspect water may have gotten into or around it, or see evidence of corrosion, then it's something to bump up higher on the list.

**If you go to any of the OEM manuals they pretty much start the troubleshooting trees this way; Work from the most common issues to the least common problems.
 
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Jeepwalker

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One other thing I thought about for the OP (or anyone having a similar issue).
Wouldn't hurt to do a compression test while replacing the plugs. I have one cylinder that's kind of low on compression. I forget the numbers, ..maybe 120 psi while the rest measured about 150. Hasn't been a problem day to day driving, but if it were much lower, I'd have to dig into it. But prior to replacing the plugs I was seeing on my scan tool it was producing misses on that cylinder (at idle). There's a "Miss-Count" feature. After changing the spark plugs the miss count went way down. The compression is still low (at static) but seems fine during normal driving (doesn't set any engine codes).

If a guy had much lower compression in a cylinder, it could cause the engine to possibly die while sitting at an intersection with the car in gear, foot on the brake.
 
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powerlifter

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I had a vacuum leak I couldn't find. Turned out to be pinholes rusted through the top of the fuel pump, and the lines that go over the fuel tank.
 
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