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Did Ford pull a commercial due to the white house?
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Ron B
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Well -- the commercial does stretch the truth a bit because they did get $$ from the gov, though far less than the other auto manufacturers. If the gov didn't give them any money then why pull it? But truth in advertising has been missing for a while (since maybe the dawn of time?).
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Hate to see the government exert any influence on private business decisions.
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me too!
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Are you guys serious??? This is nothing.
You seem to forget that our brand was directly affected by political decisions. It is no coincidence that the environmentalists needed a scape goat to hate, chose the brand most like the military that they hate, despite other brands actually doing worse in mpg. Those same environmentalists are a major activist group that contributed to a political victory in 2008 for their party and our brand was canceled despite numerous offers during early 2009. Have you forgotten the political hate that HUMMERs faced for years???
You seem to forget that our brand was directly affected by political decisions. It is no coincidence that the environmentalists needed a scape goat to hate, chose the brand most like the military that they hate, despite other brands actually doing worse in mpg. Those same environmentalists are a major activist group that contributed to a political victory in 2008 for their party and our brand was canceled despite numerous offers during early 2009. Have you forgotten the political hate that HUMMERs faced for years???
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Hummer was too easy of a target for the greens to resist.
That being said...
GM tried to kill hummer rather than have it turn into a future competitor...
That being said...
GM tried to kill hummer rather than have it turn into a future competitor...
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Whoever controls the purse strings controls, and the government controlled GMs purse strings. Even if GM had wanted to save Hummer, which they didn't, the government wouldn't have let them.
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I've heard people say that after the inauguration, several reps went to GM to ensure that the brand was canceled. The word is that they didn't want to hear any other option than the demise of HUMMER. Remember that the newer models were flex fuel and the HX was set to start production. Maybe f5 knows more.
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Hummer sales were in the tank, but GMs actions concerning shutting it down, selling it, shutting it down, selling it, starving it of cash, new models, marketing, etc put enough chill in the market people were scared to buy one. GM killed the brand through their actions, the government just delivered the coup de grace
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I honestly believe that GM would have sold the brand name to make money. The China deal was suspect from the beginning. China decided to become the small car leader and Hummer did not fit into that roll. Regardless if the company involved was supposedly independent, they are still controlled by China.
As for other purchaser (forget their name), they wanted too much for GM to end up making any money. They wanted massive design changes to the engine compartment areas, and the costs involved are great. With a redesign like this you not only have engineering part involvement, you have crash test and other safety problems. And they did not want vehicles for a year or two and GM was (is) closing production of C/C from Shreveport and I'm sure the costinvolveded with setting up another plant with Hummer tooling added to the costs.
Don't get me wrong. I HATE GM and part of me says I hope they go under, but part of me remembers he has plenty of friends still working there. But I can guarantee I will not purchase another GM vehicle, and probably won't purchase any UAW manufactured NEW vehicle. I might purchase a used Jeep in the future.
I do believe Hummer was dead due to the fuel crisis and that GM ran out of money so they had to cancel the H2 upgrade and the future H4. The H4 was an expensive vehicle to launch, there was no platform to draw from (like the H3 drew from the C/C), and that makes it very expensive for a purpose built vehicle and that is what all Hummers were; purpose built.
No doubt, GM was totally screwed around 2005, and by 2007, they were so broke it amazed many of us that we actually received a paycheck.
As for other purchaser (forget their name), they wanted too much for GM to end up making any money. They wanted massive design changes to the engine compartment areas, and the costs involved are great. With a redesign like this you not only have engineering part involvement, you have crash test and other safety problems. And they did not want vehicles for a year or two and GM was (is) closing production of C/C from Shreveport and I'm sure the costinvolveded with setting up another plant with Hummer tooling added to the costs.
Don't get me wrong. I HATE GM and part of me says I hope they go under, but part of me remembers he has plenty of friends still working there. But I can guarantee I will not purchase another GM vehicle, and probably won't purchase any UAW manufactured NEW vehicle. I might purchase a used Jeep in the future.
I do believe Hummer was dead due to the fuel crisis and that GM ran out of money so they had to cancel the H2 upgrade and the future H4. The H4 was an expensive vehicle to launch, there was no platform to draw from (like the H3 drew from the C/C), and that makes it very expensive for a purpose built vehicle and that is what all Hummers were; purpose built.
No doubt, GM was totally screwed around 2005, and by 2007, they were so broke it amazed many of us that we actually received a paycheck.
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Sure it is speculation and hearsay, but when a person despises the current administration, any conspiracy theory is a good! Besides, it sure sounds like something that POS would do.
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