Keystone Oil Pipeline?

[RamRod]

Jus curious how many of our neighbours to the South (Merican's) have heard of the Keystone pipeline.

I am not intending for this to become a debate as I could understand both sides and feel that it might just upset someone in the end.

Just curious who has heard about it and what the general consensus is about from their area (not necessarily their opinion) about the proposed Pipeline running from Canada's Oilsands down the refineries in Texas.

I'll start:

Its a BIG deal here in Alberta, with large support and is in the news everyday.

 

[3Hummers]

Being a Texan it is a big deal down here also. I spend a fair amount of time in CA and the Keystone Pipeline has been in the news enough it would be hard to believe that any semi functioning adult isn't aware of it. It means a secure source of oil and jobs for the North American continent. Only some idiotic flaming liberal greenturd could find a way to oppose it. ( how is that for starting the debate? )

 

[RamRod]

being that we are hummer owners I don't figure that there are many of us on here that would be upset with the prospect of the pipeline, but you never know...

Glad to hear you are on the same page as me!!

The biggest contaminate that results out of the oilsand's is "airborne particulate matter" otherwise known as dust!
But in all honesty I would rather Canadian oil gets sold to a country that we have strong ties to with a strong and functioning relationship rather then shipping it over to China (which is what will happen if the Keystone doesn't get up through). Sure the oil will be considered "foreign oil" but lets face it... Is hardly foreign at all lol

 

[3Hummers]

It is less foriegn than the stuff that is shipped over on supertankers and also less likely to create a huge environmental catastrophe. After the Exxon Valdez you would think the greenies wouldn't mind pipelines quite as much.

 

[LagunaH1]

The reality is that we need fuel. Better to get it from a friendly neighbor. Whoever will end up owning and operating the pipeline will have a very obvious interest in the system being efficient and have very low losses of the oils transported (and thus very low pollution) so I'm not terribly worried about adverse impact to the environment.

 

[alrock]

Yep, definitely aware of the Keystone Pipeline. It is a big deal in the lower 48 and I suspect the political conversation on this forum would be heavily in favor of supporting it. Many do not realize what a lifeline (figuratively and perhaps literally) a pipeline can be. AZ, for example, does not have any of its own refineries and all fuel must be brought in from out of state. A few years ago, before $3 gas was common, Phoenix was almost out of fuel for a week or two. Gas lines were an hour long and prices shot up to the $4-$5 range (back when gas was $2+). It was a real PITA.

Tucson did not suffer these same issues as they have access to a pipeline. Gas is also always about 30-40 cents per gallon cheaper in Tucson than Phoenix.

 

[arkalpha]

I work in the Melt Shop of a steel company. We make bars that are then shipped to other pipe producers who pierce it and make seamless pipe. I say bring it on. We also make steel that goes into the wind turbines, so I like the clean energy too.

TAPADROID

 

[Expendable]

honestly this is my first time hearing of this pipeline. (I don't watch the news, can't stand the media in general)

 

[RamRod]

Here is a simple map showing the proposed route


The idea is to send oil down from an area called Fort McMurray through already established pipelines to a Distribution center in Hardisty, AB (about 400 miles), from there they would build the new pipeline to eventually bring oil down to be refined in Texas.. it will take 5-6 years to build the pipeline and will cost about $40,000,000,000 USD to build. (creating loads of jobs both directly and indirectly)

 

[twinmill28]

Gotta love the Canadians, 'specially the Albertans--you guys are getting rich off of this oil thing. My wife is from Calgary and our joke is that the low income folks in Calgary don't drive Ford Festivas, you drive low end Porsches and Jags! I can't fault you though, might as well enjoy it.
Somehow I think a pipeline down to the States will be great, but we're certainly not going yo see any cost savings, big oil companies will always pocket that. It may help us here on the Gulf Coast though, when a hurricane rolls into town, we can't get gas for weeks after.

 

[RamRod]

I think your right, the oil companies will take the majority of the advantages of this project in the long run.


But there is the job creation, and stability in the market (like hurricane season as you mentioned) that will also help a lot of end users each day in tiny little ways; maybe save an extra $5 on a fill up etc...

Calgary is getting ridiculous... trying to buy a house there... insane!

 

[twinmill28]

Yeah, we've got two rental properties in Calgary, plus our in-laws house, the value has gone up nicely in the last few years. Certainly wouldn't want to try buying there, you've got to be working the oil fields to afford it!