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Looking for a full fledged bi directional scanner for all makes and models

Happy Hummer

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Looking for a full fledged bi directional scanner for all makes and models that can do damn near everything.

Pros:
Under $500
Nice size screen color
Bi direct
Tpms
live data
fully capable out the box with minimal updates necessary
pulls power from obdii port or battery powered
Pretty peppy
No old tech two interface lol!

I already own the fully functional Vident but need more cross platform capabilities [cars of all makes]
 

Jeepwalker

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Under $500, huh? If you can stretch your budget a bit, get into the $650 range, you will get into the range of greater Pro capabilities.

If I were looking today, I'd probably look at the Launch 431 or higher. They have different versions of that scanner ...the Elite and PRO which are more/less expensive and scale in capabilities. They have a helpful matrix showing what each version will and won't do which you can compare to your needs. I honestly haven't been keeping up with their individual model capabilities in the last few yrs. They're from China and from what I've heard, they have great customer support too. You have to bear in mind, they have a lot of the same (or similar) vehicles in China as we have. Autel... is another option. They have a decent *looking* product. I had a middle-of-the-road scanner (reader) from them years ago, and after not too long of a time they stopped supporting it. They had the update I needed listed on their website but the link wouldn't work. I called them and they wouldn't send me the file (even though it was listed). I wasn't asking for much, they just said "no"..and I called back and talked to another agent..same thing. I'm sure all they needed to do is find the link in their back-up drive and email it to me. Not only that, they removed the link by the next day! That frosted me! The scanner was only like 5yrs old. Honestly, customer service from some USA-based companies sucks IMO (except Snap-on). Hopefully Autel has changed their ways, but I would check that out very carefully and avoid any company which doesn't offer long-term support. Ideally you ought to get 10-15 years out of a scanner.

Bear in mind some later model cars/trucks (2018+) like Chrysler's may require a Secure Gateway Interface (SGI) cable. That was done for security. So if you plan to work on later model vehicles, make sure there are provisions to access late model vehicles' computers. If you plan to scan pre-OBDII vehicles, also make sure whatever scanner you look into can do those too with the proper connectors. Bear in mind OBD1 stuff is pretty simple and most of the time you don't really need a scanner to work on that stuff (although it can help sometimes).

I personally have a Snap-on Solus Ultra that I bought used years ago. I like it a lot. It works on vehicles back to 1981. They have newer, smaller scan tools than mine now. I like the Snap-on environment personally. They do a great job at long-term support. But it aint cheap!! The software upgrade costs are targeted toward commercial-type accounts and serious mechanics. It was a grand to upgrade my software, so I didn't do it...so I'm locked into '16 and below vehicles. That's ok, all my stuff is older anyway. But it works great on everything I've done. It's pretty comprehensive. I've never NOT needed anything more. What's good about Snap-on is they had a Troubleshooter which outlined older common problems. Now they have an online database. It costs money, but you can do it short term.

Launch scanners have become very powerful per videos and research I've done. They're very Snap-on 'like'. From what I've seen the higher level ones do even MORE than my old snap on scanner. That's probably what I'll get when I upgrade.

There's a ton of Y/T videos on scanners...which are helpful. Best of luck. Let us know what you end up with. While price is important, I can't stress enough, don't get locked into a company which is going to jerk you around with long-term support and upgrades. That will extend the life-cycle *value* of your tool. And if the tool you are looking at has a repair database which the tool taps into (even on a paid basis), that can be a major helpful bonus. Although internet google scans can bring up common issues too. So it's not make or break.
 
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Jeepwalker

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I wasn't intending to say the Autel product is not good. If it turns out they have improved their customer support and upgrades aren't too much...and they have a track record for allowing a pretty long upgrade path ...then I wouldn't hesitate to look at their product.

Question: Are there certain vehicles (makes) you think you would scan a lot...and which ones would you probably never work on?
 

Jeepwalker

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The reason having the ability to do 'upgrades' is SO important, even paid (at a reasonable cost), is because scanner mfgrs add not only new vehicles, but are constantly adding features to unlock capabilities for older vehicles. I've read reports of people on forums who've been in contact with Launch support representitives, and asked for a certain capability that wasn't available. They were right on it and came up with that new feature, or capability they didn't know was missing for xyz make and model/year. And there would be dozens or hundreds of other small capabilities added for other vehicles as time goes by which add up. Or maybe they figured out a way to show more PIDs during graphing...or made the graphing process quicker using new algorighms, or added more tire-size choices, or some new feature we didn't know we needed. All those new capabilities or features would then be added to the next 'update' and so on. So even if you didn't need to scan the newest vehicle in year 2026, the 2026 update would likely include features for vehicles stretching back several if not many years, and some of those would likely (hopefully) benefit you. It might be you don't need to buy yearly upgrades...maybe you can skip one or two. Or do a paid upgrade after 3 or so years..whatever works for you. But having them available is the key.

I've seen Snap-on for example add features to vehicles stretching back 10 years from the point of the software update. That's on the more extreme end, usually it's not that many, but it's super convenient and helpful when they do. Snap on supported the red Brick scanner for almost 20 years!! Actually it *was* 20 years. To me, that's amazing. They supported it long after they had come out with a newer model of scanner. The later updates stretched the 80's hardware and memory/capabilities...but they figured out a way to do it. With my Ultra scanner, there have been at least 2 newer generation of scanners since the Ultra came out, and they continued to support the Solus Ultra with software updates until last year alongside the newer scanners. So even that scanner (the Ultra I have) had what....a 15+ year lifecycle! It's still good, works great, but the new software with expanded capabilities simply requires a faster processor and more memory that my scanner doesn't possess. I wasn't too tickled with the $1000 upgrade price..I was hoping to get the last update for it. But that's Snap-on and they deal in the Pro-mechanic market. If I was a strong Snap-on customer, investing in regular updates, they have a pricing structure which would have been far less money. But as a walk-in... DIY-Pro guy, they sock it to ya. But still...it's a great scanner and the capabilities work for me right now. At some point I'll upgrade. And I'll probably look at a newer S-O scanner, or a higher end Launch or Autel (probably not Autel, I still have a bad taste in my mouth). These higher end version scanners have very snap-on-like capabilities (if not more) for far less money. Better suited for DIY-Pro level guys. But I'll look for the company which has the best long-term scanner support track record and reasonable price.

So in summary, scanner companies continue to refine the product/capabilities, fill in gaps or swat down 'bugs'. Usually ya get one upgrade 'free' and the rest are paid upgrades. So a company which offers regular updates for a reasonable price, and tends to support the product for many years...that adds value and longevity to the tool you invested in. Having the ability to use an SD card for expanded memory might be helpful too...(*if* the SD card CAN be used for memory).
 
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Jeepwalker

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If you work on Chrysler vehicles....btw, and need more capabilities than most canners can do, consider buying AlfaOBD software. It's like $50-$60 for the software (need to buy a cable or bluetooth module ..and use your phone/tablet/PC), and does about as much as the dealer service tool (for newer-ish Chrysler/Ram vehicles).
 

Jeepwalker

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Happy Hummer.... have you seen any scan tools per your research that tripped your trigger, or you're leaning towards (and why)?

Plz share what you learn as you go. Scan tools seem to get more capable and less expensive all the time. I'm always looking to learn what's new or 'good' out there per money spent. One of these days I'll be in the market too.
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