Steering rack kit for H3's

[R-code17815]

I found another company that already has a Rack Kit "IN PRODUCTION" & "IN STOCK"

Outfitter Design LLC

I posted this in another thread but it got Deleted because it was a Sponsor's Thread. My bad.

I'm not into politics, nothing personal, wasn't thinking, was just trying to hook up H3 guys with the good's they need, nothing more.

If this thread is violating any rules, Please, feel free to delete it

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[Schwarttzy]

Sweet

 

[Bigunit]

It's your money - spend it however you want but for several reasons, that will become obvious when PCF releases his product to the general public, the design of this rack bracket mount is structurally inferior to the PCF design. In addition, the PCF bracket already has been tested and has logged over thousands of road miles and quite a few challenging off road trails totaling over several hundred miles by 4 different beta testers on 4 different rigs. Like I said, it' s your money. Just because it's available now, doesn't mean you should run out and buy it today. Might want to wait and see/compare the PCF product and make your decision then. *


*Opinions expressed by Bigunit are his own, and do not reflect the views of H4O, its sponsors and/or other site admins or moderators.

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[backcountryislife]

What is it that you find inferior about this setup?

Looks pretty darn bomber to me, and the fact that it addresses the whole issue rather than just one side is pretty cool. I like the fact that it's a whole kit... IMO that's what should be sold. You can tie down one side all you want, but if the other side can still move, that part can't do the job.

I haven't seen the most recent setups by PCF though, does this address both sides as well?

 

[Bigunit]

I have no issues with replacing the bushings. If they are worn out, replace them. IMO, there are better bushing options available too but that's another topic. It's the bracket design in this kit that is not as good as the PCF design as it does not address the issues related to the integrity, or lack thereof, of the frame mount plate. * The PCF design does. This design only solves the problem of the thinner OEM barcket bending and deforming. This design will will lead to other issues down the road. * If the fabricator doesn't have a clue about what those issues are, it makes me wonder about the integrity of the product on such a critical component as a rack and pinion. That's why I wouldn't put it on my vehicle. Trust me, time will tell who is right and which is the better design but I will place my bet and my rig in the hands of someone I know and trust - that's PCF - he's never let me down.

Here's an idea - maybe you could just buy the bushings from this vendor and the rack bracket from PCF and combine them. That in my opinion would be the best solution but like I said, it's your money. I trust the PCF products.

Here's a little known fact - PCF is a licensed manufacturer of vehicles & vehicle parts, like Ford, GM, Toyota, etc. Is this fabricator? That means he has to insure that he puts sufficient R & D (at his own expense) into all of his products before he releases them for sale to the public to insure that they are better designed and manufactured than the mom & pop fabricators who take an idea from someone else and come up with their own version but most likely do not have product liability insurance to cover the issues that arise if/when their design and/or products fail (no offense intended, just stating a fact that licensed motor vehicle manufacturers have certain legally-mandated standards that they must comply with and they have to go through a lot more than a mom & pop fabrication business before they can release and sell a product to the public). That one reason why I believe the PCF bracket is better. I could go on and on but will stop there.

*Opinions expressed by Bigunit are his own, and do not reflect the views of H4O, its sponsors and/or those of other site admins or moderators.

 

[silvrzuki77]

I would think PCF needs put out their product before saying how superior theirs is.

 

[Bigunit]

PCF hasn't said anything. I did and I'm not PCF.

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[silvrzuki77]

Edited

 

[ABNTROOP]

 

[poncho1965]

You need to meet Dwaine. My father in law is the same way, retired machinist, and he wants it to be right. Not just an improvement, a bullet proof fix. Dwaine won't put out junk, just my opinion. I'll be doing this when the part is available


Mike

 

[backcountryislife]

I have no issues with replacing the bushings. If they are worn out, replace them. IMO, there are better bushing options available too but that's another topic.

My main concern, and one that I feel needs to be addressed if you want to claim to be fixing the issue, is that if you lock down one side, the force will transfer to the other side & just move that as well. Even if your bushings were good, once you lock down the pass side, the driver's side allows expansion, & therefore risk of breakage.

I haven't seen the most recent scorpworks bracket, so not trying to compare, but IMO a fix needs to address both.

 

[PreferredChassisFab]

The ScorpWorks rack mount bracket as stated in the original thread, addresses the total rack mounting issues. This includes supporting the weak factory passenger side rack frame mount pad and mounting as well as allowing for the O.E. designed steering racks ability to float in its mounting. These characteristics have been the backbone of the ScorpWorks mount design since the original prototype. The four pre-production prototype mounts have been H4O member tested, the oldest for over six months, with many trails and miles with no issues. The last unit was installed out of PCF's shop for total package and installation evaluation. These are all costs of product development.

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[cbetts]

I have a PCF mount and I have to say, wait for it! It is more than just a chunk of metal that will hold the rack. As soon as you receive one, you will understand. The design is unique and will do a better job. Dwaine has already proved dedication to quality with his redesign of the H3 front crossmember.

Besides, we need to support our sponsors.

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[amrg]

At the end of the day, we are getting 2 solutions (maybe similar but time will tell) for the steering rack issue. Forum members' experience should be the best testament for us regarding the durability of whatever rack they have. At the end of the day, I want the best for my money!

And yes, we have to support forum sponsors. If not for them, we wouldn't have such a great forum after all!!!!

 

[3Hummers]

We are not a big enough group, as Hummer owners, to support a large number of accessory manufacturers. I would rather see a few make enough to survive than too many jump in and us wind up with no one left to make anything for our trucks.

 

[silvrzuki77]

Or you are going to deter good ones from making anymore products.

 

[Schwarttzy]

Guys, I'm not a fan of what I'm reading here. This feels like web wheeling, and I hate it. At this point no one can comment on it. We don't have anyone running that new product, and no one is running a production version of ScorpWorks rack mount.

Finally, titles mean nothing, let the products do the talking.

 

[3Hummers]

Ultimately that will be the case, the best products will win out. Unfortunately there aren't enough of us to support 10 skid plate guys or ten UCP guys or 10 steering rack guys. If we had the numbers the Jeepers do it would be a free for all but we don't.

 

[amrg]

Exactly. Anyway, 2 products that work are better than none. And if both products work, great! Eventually, people will go with the better one.

 

[poncho1965]

Since I installed PCF's front diff cross member, the quality of this piece gives me the confidence that the steering rack piece will be of equal quality. Plus I also agree that we should support the guys who are putting in the time to make our rigs better! I like to fix things only once


Mike

 

[silvrzuki77]

I agree mike, i am really enjoying my mayhem metalworks steering kit as are several others. 3 wheeling trips and zero problems.

 

[poncho1965]

Never heard of that but I'm new to the modding game


Mike

 

[silvrzuki77]

Here you go. The write up i did and how to change a rack.
http://www.hummer4x4offroad.com/for...grade-and-changing-a-steering-rack-on-a-Alpha

 

[PreferredChassisFab]

Guys, I'm not a fan of what I'm reading here. This feels like web wheeling, and I hate it. At this point no one can comment on it. We don't have anyone running that new product, and no one is running a production version of ScorpWorks rack mount.

Finally, titles mean nothing, let the products do the talking.

Schwarttzy, I'll agree that "I'm not a fan of what I'm reading here". I'm glad that H4O Sponsors are a such "supportive family".

As for " no one is running a production version of ScorpWorks rack mount" and "We don't have anyone running that new product", there are three pre-production run ScorpWorks steering rack mounts running on H4O member H3s. There is no dimensional or construction differences between these and the "production run" units being currently machined, only they were machined on a non-production type CNC machine.

As for "At this point no one can comment on it." I believe the three H4O users (Alrock, Bigunit and Cbetts) can comment about the product since they are testing/using it. Since the prototype is not a "exact dimensional likeness/production version" we will leave it out of the conversation.

I will also agree that "This feels like web wheeling, and I hate it.". Quality and performance are derived from natural ability, desire, experience and testing, none of which are derived from "web wheeling", armchair wheeling or armchair manufacturing. At any time we would be open to having you join us on a trail to compare performance and ability.

And "Finally, titles mean nothing, let the products do the talking.", I would guess that goes for all the H4O Sponsors?

Submitted Respectfully but DISGUSTED with all the positioning here.

 

[HUMMERADDICT]

Which steering rack issue is this now? Is it the vibrating steering rack/steering wheel that I have at idle?