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Group 31 Battery trial

CaseyS

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My old battery has been real sluggish trying to start the diesel lately. Once it starts to cool off, I know it wont cut it. It has served pretty well so far even though many said it wasn't big enough for the Cummins. I think I bought this battery new 3 years ago when I fist finished the engine swap. The original battery had been out and uncharged for 7 months and just wasnt cutting it. The 690 CCA of the OEM sized battery was good all the way down to about 35 degrees. Below that it would struggle getting things cranked.

I think I finally did it in about a month ago when I dropped a wrench on top of the starter. It fell just in the right spot to arc straight from the terminal to the frame. It took me about a minute to frantically rip the hot terminal off of the battery. The wrench didn't weld itself to anything but it was hot as hell.

I wanted to avoid the complexity of a dual setup and just wanted the biggest one that would fit. I pulled the old battery tray out and measured up. Both a group 27 or 31 had the same depth front to back and were about an inch taller. The group 27 was 12" wide vs the stock 9" and the group 31 13" wide. The group 31 gave an additional 125 CCA cranking ability so I set out to find one.

I had my eye on a commercial/heavy duty exide but opted for an AGM marine battery I found at Academy for about twice as much. Hopefully it will turn out to be a good investment.

Here is the new battery next to the stocker



I had to lightly grind a small lip on the sheet metal below the tray and dropped it in. I flipped the battery around to put the terminals further to the rear to make sure hood clearance was good. There is plenty of cable slack.



I am using the factory strap and had to lengthen the holddown stud in the rear. Now that it fits I will make a tray frame from some light angle, tack that down and clean up the install. More pics to follow once I get that all in place.
 

cgalpha08

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Nice! i went with a group 34 AGM from autozone (they are rebadged deka intimidators IIRC) I just took a dremel to the original box, little bit of trimming and shaving and it squeezed in there.
 

CaseyS

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The heat index cooled off this afternoon to 108 so I stayed in the garage and worked a little more. Got a basic battery tray tacked up with some 1.25x1.25x0.25 angle. I'll get this welded up tomorrow and then tack the tray down to the fender. This will keep the battery from sliding side to side and front to back. The factory strap will retain it in the tray.

 

Woodtick

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Put a AGM in the wife's Cammander and a Yellow Top in the 3. I like the simplicity of a single battery, a lot less to go wrong. I just don't shut the 3 off after using the winch. Hasn't been a problem yet, let the truck run for 15 min or so.
 

CaseyS

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Well I finished the trial this morning, strapped it all down and took it for a test drive. Worked great. Then I decided I didn't like the way it looked and pulled it all out and went return the battery.

You guys are gonna laugh at my reason, but I thought it stuck out and didn't look OEM. Yea, I know.

So I am going to go with a dual setup after all. I have a design for the tray and hold downs that I will start tomorrow. There is a possibility the inside battery may interfere with access to pump adjustments on the drivers side of the engine so my design will keep brackets clear of there so I can pull the inside battery for free access if needed.

Stay tuned
 

650Hawk

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You guys are gonna laugh at my reason, but I thought it stuck out and didn't look OEM. Yea, I know.

So I am going to go with a dual setup after all.

Wait...the 1 large battery didn't look OEM...but 2 smaller batteries...:confused:
 

rascole

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I didn't want a complex dual set up either but having the second battery is a life saver in the desert. I use a quick disconnect to connect/disconnect the two batteries. They are always connected except when I winch, then I plug the winch into the spare battery so it will not affect the starting battery. I also separate them at night when camping so the fridge, lights, etc will not drain the spare. No solenoids or electronics to go bad, winch is not always powered, and easy jumper cable connection.
 

CaseyS

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OK, progress on a dual setup.

I refabbed my tray to fit the two smaller batteries lengthwise.



There is an additional strip of flat bar in the center now. Two threaded rod couplings are bolted to the flatbar from underneath. A threaded rod will screw in from the top.



Here is the tray tacked down in place. I hope I don't regret welding it. If you look at that picture, the only way to change the power steering pump is to get it out the top. The last time I had to work on it, it was a chinese puzzle to rotate it to get it out. I'm not sure it will pass now. If not I'll have to grind the tack welds to get the tray out.



Here you can see the rod couplings and how they fit right around the battery and serve as a center guide and keeps the two battery bottoms in place.



And here it is with the top clamp in place. With the threaded rods from the center, you can get a nice clamping force on the batteries. Its solid as heck. No movement in the tray whatsoever.

I have to get terminals on order to make the cross ties. For now I just hooked the factory terminals to one battery. More pics to follow when I finish it up.
 

650Hawk

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Looks very nice. I'd probably rotate the second battery so they both face the same direction, but that's just me.
 

CaseyS

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I'll have to see if there is enough slack. When you do that both the positive or the negative posts are in the front of the bank. The way they are now positioned a positive and negative post are each about in the factory position. Battery terminals will be here Friday.
 

4speedfunk

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Hmmm. Your truck needs more nose weight!
I'm running a THORparts cargo kit in place of the rear seat. There is perfect spot to mount dual batteries in the foot wells of the rear passenger compartment (under the cargo deck). Low COG...easy access...better weight distribution...it's a win win win win win. If I ever go diesel...it's a no brainer.
 

650Hawk

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I'll have to see if there is enough slack. When you do that both the positive or the negative posts are in the front of the bank. The way they are now positioned a positive and negative post are each about in the factory position. Battery terminals will be here Friday.
Ahhh, that's true; hadn't thought of that. Of course, that will only work if they are both hooked up all the time (with X-ing short cables pos-pos & neg-neg on top) rather than being able to isolate one or the other (for winch, other equip, etc). Otherwise, at least one of your cables would still have to reach up to the front of your bank.
 
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CaseyS

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Got the cabling and terminals all wrapped up. I found some terminals online on amazon that have a nice clip on cover to keep the terminals protected. I still want to do a little clean up on the factory power cables but its all functional for now.





I think my total cost for everything is under $300.

Exide batteries $96 ea at home depot. These are standard group 34 batteries not agm. Terminals $40 on amazon. Crossover cables $16 from autozone. Brackets and hardware around $30 from home depot not counting my screwups and refab when I scrapped the single battery idea. Paint $7. I still have a $12 core credit to go get on my old battery.
 
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