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Blew a steering seal wheeling today... need to get to MOAB!!!!!
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wait a minute! Wheel speed sensor? Is the ABS light on?
My wheel speed sensor went bad when I installed my lift kit the speed sensor line was ran poorly and hit my tire and ruined the wire. Replaced a new one easily...Not worth 600 bucks for sure!
My wheel speed sensor went bad when I installed my lift kit the speed sensor line was ran poorly and hit my tire and ruined the wire. Replaced a new one easily...Not worth 600 bucks for sure!
backcountryislife
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It ended up being $540. part was $440. After having someone else do the rack & getting screwed, I decided to bite the bullet & just let them do the work. I didn't even want to look the part up & see what I could have found it for.
They ran the new sensor, and they re-routed the wire in a better way to avoid damage in the future... I know the damage happened either towing or getting worked on, oh well. SH** happens.
Got it back last night, all is good! About 1k poorer from this little episode, but I've spent more on less!
Now I'm ready to go back out & bug Neo again!!
They ran the new sensor, and they re-routed the wire in a better way to avoid damage in the future... I know the damage happened either towing or getting worked on, oh well. SH** happens.
Got it back last night, all is good! About 1k poorer from this little episode, but I've spent more on less!
Now I'm ready to go back out & bug Neo again!!
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Blew a seal, huh? How did it taste?
Took about 4 hours to change the rack on the trail. Will be much faster next time. The biggest issues were that everything was hot and covered in PS fluid in the beginning, and the upper flange bolt was very difficult to remove/ install. The intermediate steering shaft was over-extended and wouldn't compress. Took us a while to figure that out, remove it, and repair it with the BFH, pocket knife and some Li grease. It was my first trail repair and an experience. Thanks to Neo, Jeff, Mike, and Mikkel for sticking around. We now have a special bond, in a heterosexual kind of way.
Took about 4 hours to change the rack on the trail. Will be much faster next time. The biggest issues were that everything was hot and covered in PS fluid in the beginning, and the upper flange bolt was very difficult to remove/ install. The intermediate steering shaft was over-extended and wouldn't compress. Took us a while to figure that out, remove it, and repair it with the BFH, pocket knife and some Li grease. It was my first trail repair and an experience. Thanks to Neo, Jeff, Mike, and Mikkel for sticking around. We now have a special bond, in a heterosexual kind of way.
backcountryislife
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Well...
that rack didn't last long!
Rack snapped in 1/2 yesterday... holy crap.
This will be rack #2 in that many weeks for me. OUCH.
Just sent the pic to Mark @ tran-steer... we'll see if he'll help me out on this at all.
makes for a rough day.
that rack didn't last long!
Rack snapped in 1/2 yesterday... holy crap.
This will be rack #2 in that many weeks for me. OUCH.
Just sent the pic to Mark @ tran-steer... we'll see if he'll help me out on this at all.
makes for a rough day.
backcountryislife
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FYI:
Mark looked at the pic, said he'd help me out.
He asked me to send him $100 & he's sending me a new rack. So basically 75% off the new rack after shipping, and now I've got brand new spare boots, tie rods, etc.
So nice dealing with honorable people.
SO, what else would make sense to pull off of this thing? I was thinking tie rods & boots... anything else that is likely to fail?
Mark looked at the pic, said he'd help me out.
He asked me to send him $100 & he's sending me a new rack. So basically 75% off the new rack after shipping, and now I've got brand new spare boots, tie rods, etc.
So nice dealing with honorable people.
SO, what else would make sense to pull off of this thing? I was thinking tie rods & boots... anything else that is likely to fail?
Yeah keep the hydraulic pipes for spares. Did the short one not break when the rack separated?
Some of you might recall I had a shielded flex line made for mine with welded or brazed fittings used off the old one since they are some odd size.
The short one broke when my rack separated so I installed this. I pulled it off the 06 and carry it but have not put it on the Alpha. Just keep thinking I will be something else always comes up.
If you are out somewhere and the rack goes and the tie rods don't break but the tube does this will get you to a recovery area albeit with sloppy steering but only if you carry hydro fluid, otherwise you burn up the pump.
Some of you might recall I had a shielded flex line made for mine with welded or brazed fittings used off the old one since they are some odd size.
The short one broke when my rack separated so I installed this. I pulled it off the 06 and carry it but have not put it on the Alpha. Just keep thinking I will be something else always comes up.
If you are out somewhere and the rack goes and the tie rods don't break but the tube does this will get you to a recovery area albeit with sloppy steering but only if you carry hydro fluid, otherwise you burn up the pump.
backcountryislife
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Carfax was clean, and no obvious parts from a yard (no marked parts).
torsions are at about 23.75 I think.
I was going over a big rock with the driver front tire, 2'+ and had a SLIGHT angle on it when it snapped, I might have been trying to steer back inboard a bit to keep it outboard of the rocker panel after I came over it, but nothing extreme, I make a point of not steering much while one wheel is on something, or when I'm going up something big.
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Yeah keep the hydraulic pipes for spares. Did the short one not break when the rack separated?
Some of you might recall I had a shielded flex line made for mine with welded or brazed fittings used off the old one since they are some odd size.
The short one broke when my rack separated so I installed this. I pulled it off the 06 and carry it but have not put it on the Alpha. Just keep thinking I will be something else always comes up.
If you are out somewhere and the rack goes and the tie rods don't break but the tube does this will get you to a recovery area albeit with sloppy steering but only if you carry hydro fluid, otherwise you burn up the pump.
Not sure on that line, the pic above is the only one I've got. I couldn't find the breakage yesterday just looking (though I was looking in the wrong spot it seems now!
I think that would be a good spare part to make, shouldn't take too much to do. I'll take everything I can off this thing I guess, we'll see how the new one does.
just curious, but could that bushing you make have helped this? Seems like it separated in a way that having better support on the other side would have helped.
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how can there be a core charge on these from any dealer, I was told they can not be rebuilt. Has anyone found a way to replace the seal ??
backcountryislife
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They definitely get rebuilt.
Most of the ones you find out there are rebuilds.
like this one, from Cardone...
http://www.theautopartsshop.com/rack-and-pinion-complete-unit/cd221117.html
I'd like to know how to replace the seal, or I wonder if I could trade the good parts from the new one I've got, to the one that blew a seal a few weeks ago?
Most of the ones you find out there are rebuilds.
like this one, from Cardone...
http://www.theautopartsshop.com/rack-and-pinion-complete-unit/cd221117.html
I'd like to know how to replace the seal, or I wonder if I could trade the good parts from the new one I've got, to the one that blew a seal a few weeks ago?
All the ones I have seen people post that are broken are separated on the driver side.
I maintain my same old story,,,,,,,,,I have posted before but it does keep coming up and I like to stay in the conversation when asked about it. It is secured there at two angles. The other end flops around and puts leverage on the other end. Cranked up makes the angle of the tie rod steeper and pushes up more instead of in and out along the plane of the rack. It has always been my opinion that movement sometimes push and pulling as well as up and down is what breaks the rack. Anything to stop the pass end from moving I believe is the answer but may not be the total solution. A center bracket would also add some more protection.
I have only bought new ones from the dealer.
I have friend that runs an independent British car service and he has found a specialty place that rebuilds the racks in Jaguars and I thought of asking if they could also fix the seal on one of these if I ever just have that happen. I would have tried to disassemble my broken one but the dealer required me to let them have it to return supposedly to GM to make their warranty claim legitimate. That was what I was told.
When they are separated you can see the inner pot metal has broken where there was a detente I guess to spike it together?
I maintain my same old story,,,,,,,,,I have posted before but it does keep coming up and I like to stay in the conversation when asked about it. It is secured there at two angles. The other end flops around and puts leverage on the other end. Cranked up makes the angle of the tie rod steeper and pushes up more instead of in and out along the plane of the rack. It has always been my opinion that movement sometimes push and pulling as well as up and down is what breaks the rack. Anything to stop the pass end from moving I believe is the answer but may not be the total solution. A center bracket would also add some more protection.
I have only bought new ones from the dealer.
I have friend that runs an independent British car service and he has found a specialty place that rebuilds the racks in Jaguars and I thought of asking if they could also fix the seal on one of these if I ever just have that happen. I would have tried to disassemble my broken one but the dealer required me to let them have it to return supposedly to GM to make their warranty claim legitimate. That was what I was told.
When they are separated you can see the inner pot metal has broken where there was a detente I guess to spike it together?
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Major Tom
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mine is not broke. The seal is bad and leaked fluid on the passenger side boot. Had to replace the whole unit. Parts and labor $950. I do have the old one and would like to be able to replace the seal.
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OUCH man... next time call tran-steer... $200 for a new one with 16mm tie rods.
My first one was the same deal, just the pass side seal went.
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well... I'm going to see if I can swap the good from each one & make another one... we'll see!
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Ok I broke it down. The first three pictures are the way i got it back from the dealer after they installed the new one. The rest are after I broke it down. There are no cracks or fractures on any of the case or on the tubing that I can see. there is no evidence of any leaking. There was steering fluid in the passenger side boot when I removed it. Is the silver end removeable ? It looks like it may be, but I don't have a big enough wrench (yet). There has to be a seal or o-ring that keeps the fluid from coming out.
Well maybe being not broken there is a chance if you remove the end we can see what the seal looks like. Maybe a replacement can be found.
I can see evidence of the rack wallowing around in the rubber bushing on the pass side. It has worn the paint off the rack with the movement. To me that means the seal has taken abuse from being moved around. Here is the part I cannot be certain of. If you make the rack more secure so it will hopefully not break will the seal then take more of the movement. Which is worse, a leak or broken rack?
I think either one is affected more when we turn up the torsions increasing the angle of the tie rods, like I often say that causes more up and and down forces rather than just lateral in and out forces and running larger tires. Those of us doing that have exceeded the expectations and original design parameters and pay accordingly.
If I had not just invested in several other projects I would buy a pallet of those racks from Canada.
I still continue to look at options or something more robust for the setup I have.
The end looks like about 2 inches, my digital mic is dead but it could be metric. Maybe Harbor Freight has a big ole "wranch"! cheap
I sort of hate to disturb the seal on my extra one. You have a good shot at informing us all.
I can see evidence of the rack wallowing around in the rubber bushing on the pass side. It has worn the paint off the rack with the movement. To me that means the seal has taken abuse from being moved around. Here is the part I cannot be certain of. If you make the rack more secure so it will hopefully not break will the seal then take more of the movement. Which is worse, a leak or broken rack?
I think either one is affected more when we turn up the torsions increasing the angle of the tie rods, like I often say that causes more up and and down forces rather than just lateral in and out forces and running larger tires. Those of us doing that have exceeded the expectations and original design parameters and pay accordingly.
If I had not just invested in several other projects I would buy a pallet of those racks from Canada.
I still continue to look at options or something more robust for the setup I have.
The end looks like about 2 inches, my digital mic is dead but it could be metric. Maybe Harbor Freight has a big ole "wranch"! cheap
I sort of hate to disturb the seal on my extra one. You have a good shot at informing us all.
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I am going to think on it awhile. Even though mine has a leak (small in my opinion) it will get me off of the trail if I really do break one. I would hate to make it totaly useless by cracking it. Does anyone out there have a broken one that they could try and remove the end?
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Just curious, how often are people breaking these? Is this something I'm really going to be getting used to?
The kind of wheeling we do here is 30% big rocks, that's just the norm, and I do my best to not steer when on them, but sometimes it's just not avoidable. Just wondering if I shuld have just bought 2 more of them right off the bat?
The kind of wheeling we do here is 30% big rocks, that's just the norm, and I do my best to not steer when on them, but sometimes it's just not avoidable. Just wondering if I shuld have just bought 2 more of them right off the bat?
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Well, I have broken 1, but it didn't break really, is leaked, and got air in the lines so I could hear the moaning of the pump when it was cold outside.
April of '07 I believe. Didn't replace it again until I put the other one in in July-Dec 2010. IMHO, pinning your wheels on rocks and forcing the steering is what breaks them.
April of '07 I believe. Didn't replace it again until I put the other one in in July-Dec 2010. IMHO, pinning your wheels on rocks and forcing the steering is what breaks them.
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How DARE you assume I'm as pitiful of a driver as I really am:wink:
This one was on top of a 3' or so rock, that I needed to avoid putting under the body, so got on top, then got past center of wheel, then slowly started to comeover the other side & steer inboard a bit... then the rock moved a bit & SNAP!
Btw... it was a rock I could have avoided... I was just trying to make the trail to Bill Moore a bit more interesting:roll: it got more interesting without power steering... so mission accomplished!!! Yay me!:emb:
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Uh huh.... hey everybody...see what Kaleb did?
Don't do that :shame:
I'm pretty sure showing off almost always results in damage. LOL
Don't do that :shame:
I'm pretty sure showing off almost always results in damage. LOL
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In everything we do and see. I watched a skateboarder the other day showing off for some girls ( all 14-16 I would guess ). Tried to do a handrail, fell and dislocated his elbow. They were waiting for his parents to pick him up and take him to the emergency room when I left so good point bebe.