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Bounce in the front end

LS12FAST4U

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So I went wheeling today and I noticed while climbing steep grades and rock faces while in 4lo the front end bounces quite a bit. I have the adventure package so I have the 4:1 t case and you would think when I'm aired down to 20lbs it would just grab and go right up but it doesnt. Is this normal? My tires are 315/75R16 General Grabbers.
 

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So I went wheeling today and I noticed while climbing steep grades and rock faces while in 4lo the front end bounces quite a bit. I have the adventure package so I have the 4:1 t case and you would think when I'm aired down to 20lbs it would just grab and go right up but it doesnt. Is this normal? My tires are 315/75R16 General Grabbers.

Sounds normal to me
 

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Rear springs on the H3 are too soft and the front doesnt have much travel, as a result the weight shifts to the back when climbing steep grades and the front tires lose grip!
 

derian06

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I would bounce a little then the rear locker would kick in and I would go right up any obstacle. Same thing with my old 3 minus the locker.
 

LS12FAST4U

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Trust me I'm going slow. Im just as worried about breaking **** as the next guy. The problem wasn't the driver. So again is there any fix?
 

amrg

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Trust me I'm going slow. Im just as worried about breaking **** as the next guy. The problem wasn't the driver. So again is there any fix?
Besides trying to shift weight from the back to the front, there is nothing else you could do. Perhaps stiffer leafs in the back would help but the ride on road would suck...
 

LS12FAST4U

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Yeah its absolutely horrible. When you look at the gearing I have (4.56) the weight we have and I have the rear locker I should be able to easily crawl up hills and rock faces. Keep in mind I'm not talking about a steep slope with boulders where the vehicle needs to articulate. The hills were for the most part flat but steep and with just a little bit of throttle the front end started bouncing. It was pathetic. Would alpha torsion bars and rear leafs help?
 

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Would an add a leaf help? My rear isn't sagging at all.
It will since the rear wont drop as much when you climb a steep hill. But by how much I dont know. Since the rear spring rate increases when u add a spring it will sag less under the same load.
 

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Yes, it's a distinct trait of the H3 for sure. I wonder if the rear axle is getting some axle wrap? That could certainly contribute to the squatting of the rear and then it bouncing back up.
 

derian06

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I'm definitely going to have to figure something out because right now I'm not impressed with the H3.

Take a video of it next time you're out. I guarantee it's just one of your rear tires slipping on a slick surface, then all 4 spinning a bit causing the bounce.

Not to mention you are on general grabbers, they're better off on the street. Try 15lbs next time and see if it helps.
 

LS12FAST4U

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My plan next time is to go down to 12-15 pounds. My friend has a video of it but for some reason he hasn't been able to send it to me.
 

Scarsman

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Take a video of it next time you're out. I guarantee it's just one of your rear tires slipping on a slick surface, then all 4 spinning a bit causing the bounce.

Not to mention you are on general grabbers, they're better off on the street. Try 15lbs next time and see if it helps.

It's a trait of the H3 when on an incline and the wheels start to spin, like when on a loose surface or climbing a ledge. Just like this at 0:18

[video=youtube;StSW-JgV_Zc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StSW-JgV_Zc&list=UU7JRV4Q_dz39E1c69EQSMRg[/video]
 

LS12FAST4U

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Yeah there has to be a way to fix it. Just asked my friend and he didn't get a video of the hill I was on. I did get a different video but it's not of the bouncing. No idea how to post it though.
 

06 H3

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At first I thought it was IFS. I think IFS does unload more then a solid front axle naturally due to less unsprung weight but there are ways around it. I have seen other IFS vehicles not suffer from this like we do. I think of it this way, even with stiffer springs we have torsion bars. Torsion bars put weight on the crossmember that is attached to the frame not on the front like a coil sprung IFS like an FJ cruiser. So when you are on a hill physics play a role in that. Any vehicle climbing a hill will lose traction and weight on the front end but with torsion bars you already have weight placed on the center of the vehicle and now you are going to climb a hill you esentially have no weight on the front end. When I put a winch on the front it helped but I just feel there is no weight due to the torsion bars. Soft springs dont help either.
 
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