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Engine oil issues

MaxPF

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the engineer in me says that changing brands, at least in this isolated case, is not going to have a significant impact.

It depends on the cause of the oil consumption. If the M1 isn't handling the heat in the piston ring area it could cause the oil control rings to do a poor job. A higher detergency/solvency oil could clean the rings off and better tolerate the heat. Keep in mind that I-5s, being marginal for the H3, get run hard. This means higher temps at the ring lands. Also hotter valves and valve guide seals. I fully admit it may have zero effect, but it's easy to try. You have to change the oil eventually anyway, so there's no harm in trying something different.

MaxPF, how is M1 not a true synthetic?

Well, a little primer on base stocks is needed to understand what I am about to tell you, so read this link: :link:

If you read the link you saw where group III oils are sometimes called "synthesized hydrocarbons" due to the severe hydrotreatment. In reality they are just heavily refined petroleum oils. In contrast, group IV and V oils are synthesized from chemical precursors - they are truly synthetic.

Here's what happened: back in the day, there were a few real synthetic oils on the market. Most, including Mobil 1, used group IV (polyalpha olefin) base stocks. A few were group V, and used mostly polyol esters and some diesters as base stocks (Redline uses polyol ester base stocks). In the 90's Castrol decided to enter the synthetic motor oil market, but they used Group III oils as their base stocks in their "synthetic" products. Mobil sued, but the courts ruled that "synthetic" is a marketing term, and thus Castrol could call their motor oil "synthetic" even though it used non-synthetic base stocks. At the time large scale production of severely hydrotreated base oils were relatively new, and the oils do have better performance characteristics compared to group II oils, so the group III based "synthetics" worked well and were considerably cheaper to manufacture.

In the end, Mobil threw in the towel and reformulated Mobil 1 to use the less expensive group III base stocks. Other big oil makers followed suit when they introduced "synthetic" products - Valvoline (Ashland), Quaker State, Pennzoil, Chevron, Shell, etc. ALL use group III base oils in their "synthetic" products. There is some PAO in certain viscosity ranges, but the bulk of the oil is still group III. The "synthetic blends" are a blend of group III and group II oils. So, your Mobil 1 is not really a synthetic oil; it's all marketing. It IS still a quality product though.

Something to also note, I've also been using the FRAM filter for full synthetics.

Fram?! Horrors!!!! Get something, ANYTHING, else!
 

rascole

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I have no complaints with Mobil 1 and neither does my 75 year old dad. His is a 2001 Silverado 5.3 with 236,000 miles of LA freeways. He is in commercial construction and is at several job sites a day all over So. Cal.
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persius1

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I've been using M1 for about 20 years and never had a problem with their oil. It's only recently in the H3 that I've noticed the drop in oil level. It could be because of my higher mileage, it could be because of the heat these engines put out....I'm not really sure.

No leaks, no smoke, no clue what is happening to my oil haha!


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MaxPF

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I'm sure it's being burned. It's just being burned continuously at a slow rate so there's no noticeable smoke.

BTW, I never said there was anything wrong with Mobil 1 or that it was a bad oil. I just answered rascole's question about why M1 isn't a true synthetic. It's still good oil.
 

Panzer07

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I use royal purple synthetic oil and been always 1 qtr short... I change my oil ever 4-5k but who knows now i add 1/4 or less every 1,000 miles...I just started this since my last oil change lets see how short I'm next time I change it...I have no visible leakage so I know I have no leakage.


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ProjektH3

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My 5.3 seems to have the same issue. Oddly I was having the dealer do all my oil changes as scheduled using Mobil 1 5w30. After a few times I was starting to think they were not filling it properly. So I called them out on it during the next oil change. Seemed to fix my problem. The next oil chance was just before winter so I told them to check the diff fluids ect. so I don't have to worry about it once the snow falls. My wife picked it up and called me about half hour later that it was making all kinds of noise. I had her drive it to my friends house down the road (who is a mechanic). We checked the diff and it was nearly EMPTY! decided to check the oil and it was low!!!!!!! Did all the fluids at my buddies shop and have been doing all my oil changes myself now. It still seems to "lose" oil but not nearly as much as it was. I've never cleaned my throttle body either though and have 102,000 miles
 
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