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front diff rebuild

digglesworth

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So my pinion bearing has been dying a slow, painful death. It's whining more anymore lately so I think il have to get it rebuilt sometime soon... So from anyone's experience with diff rebuilds, what should I expect to pay for such a job. Assuming everything else is still useable... I'm basically wanting a new master install kit put in so all the bearings, races and everything is replaced and the backlash/depth and all that is set correctly. I called one driveline shop and he said "oh yeah, those are neat little trucks. Never tore into one though"... Not the most reassuring thing he could've said... So I need to find a competent shop so I make sure they can do it right... I'm really thinking that should be like a $2-300 job. what do you guys think?
 

cgalpha08

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I'd say come here and have 4speed do it lol but if you have the master rebuild kit and take the diff out of the car....I'd say a few hundred to have a shop do it

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digglesworth

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4speedfunk

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Hey DW...I know that bald spot!

I've done (and continue to do) lots of AAM-7 work. I know shops that charge $1500 for a rebuild and they often don't know what they're doing (including dealers). There is nothing particularly special about setting one up, except that they seem to be exceptionally finicky about tolerances and specs. On a Dana or Corp differential...there is a wider range of acceptable specs. Plus these axles have some "over-design" built into them, so they last longer even when "just close". But on the AAM-7...it needs to be dead-on in every aspect, if you want it to have a chance for survival. This is because it's grossly under-sized for the vehicle and its already at its limit with stock 32"s and soccer-mom duty. Big tires & off-road use just compound the problem. Pinion preload is often low or missing entirely on pretty much every one I work on...so your problem is very common. Remember, for every 1 revolution of the wheels...there are 4.56 revolutions of the pinion, so its no surprise the pinion bearings often fail before 70K miles. If you have been driving around with a loose pinion bearing...the ring & pinion are probably junk. The pinion moving fore & aft will wear the teeth sharp, and this makes it very difficult to get a good pattern, even with all new bearings and a proper set-up.

Due to the tiny size and light weight...the AAM-7 is actually very UPS-friendly, and it can easily be shipped for around $65. Feel free to ship it over for a rebuild, if you cannot find a reputable place locally....$250 plus parts. I don't recommend driving over simply because you'll want to slowly break-in the new gears upon start-up. New gears should be put through several hot-cold cycles, in start-stop conditions...preferably in 20 to 30 minute increments, at least for the first 200-300 miles. Hitting the highway for a 4-hour roadtrip on brand new gears can sometimes cause heat and wear problems.

EDIT: Also I can put some urethane bushings in the outboard mounts, if you haven't done so yet.
 
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SuperBuickGuy

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When I did my front end (granted, cast iron), because it was noisy, the gears had an uneven pattern - so it required new gears as well.... all in, including labor and electric locker I had $1100 in it.
 

cbetts

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The best part is that you can still actually drive your H3 while you wait! I had the front diff out of mine for about six months. It just feels weird to drive it with rear wheel drive only.
 

alrock

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4speed's price is certainly the best deal you'll find - enough where he makes some $ and you get a killer deal. Reloader has been working a few over the past new months and while it's straightforward for him, it's certainly a bit of work. $250-$300 for labor is very good.
 

JPaul

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While rebuilding a diff is something I need to learn how to do (aside from rebuilding a transmission, it's the only thing I haven't done on vehicles), it's one of the few things I am hesitant to do myself. I'll rebuild several engines before I'd take on rebuilding a diff. That price for labor is very good.
 

digglesworth

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CJ, I may take you up on that. I'm hoping the ring and pinion gears are still good and can be reused. Can you source the bearings and such (if you don't have some sitting on your shelves already)? I already have the OD outboard bushings installed so I'm good there. I'll give you a call when I get a little closer to doing it. Gotta save up some cash after buying a new bike...
 

4speedfunk

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The bearings are readily available, although I sometimes have no control over what brand (Timken, Koyo, etc.). I prefer to get parts direct from AAM but they are often sold out. For the record...this diff shares many of the same parts as the GM 7.5" rear axle that came in Malibus, Impalas, Monte Carlos, and S10s in 70s - 90s.
Reusing the gears is fine but, you can't get too picky about the contact pattern. The lash often varies .005" over the entire 360 degrees...which is quite a bit compared to new gears. The original gears require less lash than aftermarket gears due to the manufacturing process (2-cut vs 5-cut). So if you replace the gears with Yukon, USA Gear, or some other brand, you must open up the lash to .006"-.010".
Let me know when you're ready. I would gladly swap you a rebuild for a week on the parent's boat!
 

digglesworth

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lol... he actually just got back from a 2 month trip down there, without my mom... needless to say she wasnt thrilled about that.
 

4speedfunk

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I'm sailing from Puerto Rico to St Croix next week. I'll be back on 4-23 and I can do your axle anytime after that date.
I sold both bumpers off my H3, so I need to pull those and install a fresh pair as soon as I return. I might swap out the front axle for a new one too. I've had a replacement hi-pinion D44 sitting here for a year. Time to show the H3 some love.
 
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kamikazi

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Due to the tiny size and light weight...the AAM-7 is actually very UPS-friendly, and it can easily be shipped for around $65. Feel free to ship it over for a rebuild, if you cannot find a reputable place locally....$250 plus parts. I don't recommend driving over simply because you'll want to slowly break-in the new gears upon start-up. New gears should be put through several hot-cold cycles, in start-stop conditions...preferably in 20 to 30 minute increments, at least for the first 200-300 miles. Hitting the highway for a 4-hour roadtrip on brand new gears can sometimes cause heat and wear problems.

EDIT: Also I can put some urethane bushings in the outboard mounts, if you haven't done so yet.

4Speed are you still doing these rebuilds? I have a 2008 Alpha Base. Do you upgrade to the 4:56 when you do? Do you use the Yukons? What difference would the Elockers make for an occasional offroader?
 

4speedfunk

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4Speed are you still doing these rebuilds? I have a 2008 Alpha Base. Do you upgrade to the 4:56 when you do? Do you use the Yukons? What difference would the Elockers make for an occasional offroader?

Yes.
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Elocker in the AAM-7.6 is not worth the expense, IMO. If you happen to have one, then great. But to buy one and go to the trouble to install it into such an undersized assembly is a tough sell. You would be better off installing one in the rear axle first. Lockers do make a drastic difference but you can do a lot of winching for what they cost to install.

Let me know if you want a rebuild.
 

kamikazi

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Thanks! Especially on the elocker as I couldn't really see the benefit. Over the past two weeks I have replaced the driver's CV Axle (after receiving the wrong size in the beginning) and today the Differential Mount Bushing but still getting a clicking noise from the passenger side under carriage. Since I got two CV Axles when I ordered I will replace this one next weekend and see if that takes care of it... Otherwise I think it'll end up being the differential as I get the clicking noise when I have the H3 up on jacks and rotate the wheels.

I'd really like to get it done tomorrow but I try to make sure I have my 15 year old son work with me on the vehicles (or just about ANYTHING around the house) so he doesn't end up being dependent upon someone else!
 

atvspeed4

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Thanks! Especially on the elocker as I couldn't really see the benefit. Over the past two weeks I have replaced the driver's CV Axle (after receiving the wrong size in the beginning) and today the Differential Mount Bushing but still getting a clicking noise from the passenger side under carriage. Since I got two CV Axles when I ordered I will replace this one next weekend and see if that takes care of it... Otherwise I think it'll end up being the differential as I get the clicking noise when I have the H3 up on jacks and rotate the wheels.

I'd really like to get it done tomorrow but I try to make sure I have my 15 year old son work with me on the vehicles (or just about ANYTHING around the house) so he doesn't end up being dependent upon someone else!
Did you check driveshaft?

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Kick'n Dust

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Thanks! Especially on the elocker as I couldn't really see the benefit. Over the past two weeks I have replaced the driver's CV Axle (after receiving the wrong size in the beginning) and today the Differential Mount Bushing but still getting a clicking noise from the passenger side under carriage. Since I got two CV Axles when I ordered I will replace this one next weekend and see if that takes care of it... Otherwise I think it'll end up being the differential as I get the clicking noise when I have the H3 up on jacks and rotate the wheels.

I'd really like to get it done tomorrow but I try to make sure I have my 15 year old son work with me on the vehicles (or just about ANYTHING around the house) so he doesn't end up being dependent upon someone else!
I had a similar noise. It ended up being the driveshaft. I sheared the splines of the drive shaft going into the constant velocity end. This is when I found out my plastic shift fork was not shifting me into 4wd lock mode. Got a tow from a friend back to the Chevy dealer I work at. Took the CV off the end of the drive shaft to inspect it and poured about a cup of water out of it. Ended up putting about $700 in parts into the transfer case. Still no front driveshaft. Just towed the dirt bikes 4 hours north to Grayling, MI in 2wd with no issues.
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Kick'n Dust

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4speedfunk, I want to do your solid axle swap so bad. Forget the Rancho kit. I'm not building a mall crawler. I'll be getting ahold of you one day

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