Gun confiscation... Posible or Not???

[58Bisc]

Those that do not know their history are destin to repeate it... No person likes rapit change. We all fight it. Slow change, in manageable chunks we bitch about, but go along with. Once we get use to it, it becomes the new norm. Then the next small change and the process starts all over. Through out history this has happened over and over. I don't want to compare anyone to the Nasi party of Germany in the 1930's, but if you look back at their early policies they stared out this way. It was not until the people were disarmed and a generation had been indoctrinated, that they went radical. Disarm the public, remove ex military (anyone with training that can oppose the ruling party) from the picture and then control the public. All for the "greater good". Our 1968 gun control act is a rewrite of Nasi policy.

Normally I'm not this vocal. Live and let live is the way I was taught. The bill of rights was written by a bunch of rebels. They believed that the mob should be protected from it's self. This is why they set up a republic rather then a democracy. In a democracy, mobs rule. In a republic, all rights are protected. The order of the amendments are just as important as the rights themselves. The first three are key. Free speech, the right and requirement to defend free speech and the greater good, the right of Cassel docteran (no quartering of troops). I know this is a loose interpretation, but it was the concept.

Talk to people about this. Stay under control and know your history. People need to understand that this is not mob rule. Someday something they care about will be next on the list of people who want to control. Rember there is no such thing as gun control, only people control!

 

[LagunaH1]

Finally the two parties control too much of the money. They almost dictate who will win a primary. I refuse to donate to the Republican Party because they frequently pick the wrong guys. They pick guys that will toe the line. I donate to candidates themselves and I donate to candidates all over the country that have that independent right minded outlook ( ie Allen West from Florida )
We have to force the changes, it won't happen if we don't.

There are a number of things that I think are "broken" in the way the system is right now, one of the biggest things being how "predictable" it is who stays in power, who wins etc. The two parties are so established that it seems almost laughable to even consider a 3rd party or an independent candidate for any type of higher office. In my opinion, that's wrong because it seems to promote staleness and to keep those who have the power, in power.

Since I am on my soap box, let me add this: I believe that *all* elected officials must be subject to term limits. Depending on the office they hold, these limits should be more or less. Some offices I think 3 or 4 terms could be fine but there *needs* to be term limits. I very strongly believe that *any* elected official is accountable to the people, not just those who voted for them or donated to their campaign, but to *everyone*. Term limits in the senate and in congress would seem to make it easier to get new people with new ideas elected, and might also light a fire under those who seem to do nothing.

 

[58Bisc]

Originally it was a civic duty to take a turn in office. Just as jury duty is thought of today. George Washington stepped down after two terms as an example of this to the people. Today people make a full time job out of it. The concept was that one of your local people that lived and worked in your town took their turn sharing what was important to you with the rest of the country. They tell you this is what they do today, but it is not. How can it be when they move to DC (Virginia) and live there for 20 or 30 years? Term limits are needed.

 

[3Hummers]

Term limits for every elected position should be mandatory.

 

[Kyle]

Term limits for every elected position should be mandatory.

i second that!!

 

[Green 1]

I had my youngest daughter shooting this week for the first time. She loved it. I hate we must have this discussion but if we do not our children will never have the chance to make a choice. We will defend our rights to keep this country safe free.

 

[MaxPF]

i think we need to worry about people who dont properly store there guns and about mentally unstable people getting firearms.

Sadly, attitudes like yours are prevalent, and people who hold those attitudes see them as reasonable. Here's the problem: First off, it is none of the government's business how or where a person stores their property.

Second, more importantly, this whole "we need to keep the mentally unstable people from getting guns" is incredibly dangerous. it seem perfectly reasonable and innocuous on the surface. Heck, even the NRA is on board. The problem is, all they need to do is to increase the scope of what defines a person as "mentally incompetent". This has already been done to numerous veterans who have sought treatment from the VA for PTSD. According to the law, you need to be either involuntarily committed to a mental institution or adjudicated mentally incompetent. Both of these require a hearing in a court of law, with full due process, the ability to appeal, etc. The VA has neatly bypassed this, and has allowed VA doctors and bureaucrats to label someone as mentally incompetent just for suffering from PTSD, and their name goes on the NICS prohibited buyer list. No due process, no judge, no court.

Now, imagine that happening to EVERYONE. Imagine seeking help to cope with stress at work, and they deem you mentally incompetent because, being stressed, you could be a threat to others. Imagine that you are deemed mentally incompetent or unstable because you vocally object to the way government is being run. You can label virtually any behavior or belief as "mentally unfit", and you lose your right to own a firearm. So much for it being a "right" at that point....

 

[Paladine71]

Sadly, attitudes like yours are prevalent, and people who hold those attitudes see them as reasonable. Here's the problem: First off, it is none of the government's business how or where a person stores their property.

Second, more importantly, this whole "we need to keep the mentally unstable people from getting guns" is incredibly dangerous. it seem perfectly reasonable and innocuous on the surface. Heck, even the NRA is on board. The problem is, all they need to do is to increase the scope of what defines a person as "mentally incompetent". This has already been done to numerous veterans who have sought treatment from the VA for PTSD. According to the law, you need to be either involuntarily committed to a mental institution or adjudicated mentally incompetent. Both of these require a hearing in a court of law, with full due process, the ability to appeal, etc. The VA has neatly bypassed this, and has allowed VA doctors and bureaucrats to label someone as mentally incompetent just for suffering from PTSD, and their name goes on the NICS prohibited buyer list. No due process, no judge, no court.

Now, imagine that happening to EVERYONE. Imagine seeking help to cope with stress at work, and they deem you mentally incompetent because, being stressed, you could be a threat to others. Imagine that you are deemed mentally incompetent or unstable because you vocally object to the way government is being run. You can label virtually any behavior or belief as "mentally unfit", and you lose your right to own a firearm. So much for it being a "right" at that point....

It's already getting worse, some states are trying to classify ADHD as a mental illness. Since teachers have been labeling nearly every kid with it, and trying to get them all on medication for years now, that could make almost an entire generation unable to own a gun. Disarming the public is becoming a reality and changing the classifications and standards is the norm. Once you get a foot in the door....

 

[3Hummers]

Yep. Everyone has a "condition" which is an excuse for everything they do/don't do...and of course there is a medication for it.

 

[SkinGripz]

By the mentality of the grabbers, anyone who thinks they might need a gun to defend themselves against random assault is mentally unstable. Anyone who thinks the US Government cant be trusted is mentally unstable.

Myself, I believe anyone who buys into their crap is mentally unstable...

 

[DJinCO]

I would have never, ever thought that the State of Colorado would be in the news for passing laws that restrict our gun rights.
Our governor has sold us out to the bloomberg political machine.

That is how it will take us. One small step at a time. Limit the magazines (NOT friggin' CLIPS) to 15 rounds; then 10 rounds; then 7 and then the guns. So many ignorant folks think that "there is nothing wrong with the mag limits." After all, what's the big deal, you don't NEED 30 rounds. 15 is plenty. This is what a co-worker says to me. He also claims that no-one hunts with an AR platform.

one chip at a ime.

 

[Green 1]

The AR platform is the most popular platform used in Texas for hog hunting and also varment hunting. It amazes me that people who know nothing about the hobby have all the answers.

 

[3Hummers]

More like people that know nothing have all the answers. They know best on everything from the weather to gun control, healthcare to immigration, abortion to how much of your money you should get to keep. Just ask them, they have the answer. Actually you don't have to ask them, they will tell you whether you want to hear it or not.

 

[DJinCO]

An AR is much more accurate than a Mini-14. Of course no one is concerned about a Mini-14 or a Mini-30. I guess because they are "mini's" they are OK.

I guess eventually, anything that looks like a gun will be evil.

Staple Gun
Glue Gun
Label Gun
Pop-Tarts

 

[MaxPF]

I would have never, ever thought that the State of Colorado would be in the news for passing laws that restrict our gun rights.
Our governor has sold us out to the bloomberg political machine.

That is how it will take us. One small step at a time. Limit the magazines (NOT friggin' CLIPS) to 15 rounds; then 10 rounds; then 7 and then the guns. So many ignorant folks think that "there is nothing wrong with the mag limits." After all, what's the big deal, you don't NEED 30 rounds. 15 is plenty. This is what a co-worker says to me. He also claims that no-one hunts with an AR platform.

one chip at a ime.

Quite a few sherrifs in CO (I know Weld Co. is one, there were 4 or 5 others) have flat out said they will not enforce the new laws. Magpul is leaving the state. You have the misfortune of being inundated with California liberals who have completely hosed your state.

Maybe "he" should watch Yukon Men on A&E sometime. Several of the featured individuals use AR's for hunting and defense when out in the bush. I don't think it is wise to use it for caribou hunting (which they have done), but the last episode had one guy defending his trap line from a wolverine. Heck, .223 is THE most common varmint hunting round.

 

[MaxPF]

An AR is much more accurate than a Mini-14. Of course no one is concerned about a Mini-14 or a Mini-30. I guess because they are "mini's" they are OK.

I guess eventually, anything that looks like a gun will be evil.

Staple Gun
Glue Gun
Label Gun
Pop-Tarts

Depends on the Mini-14

 

[ArtHummer]

Ted Nugent hunts for hogs from a helicopter with AR. I don't think anything other "regular hunting" rifle will do the job.
All of the killed hogs go to needy.

[video=youtube_share;ETgmlcIED6E]http://youtu.be/ETgmlcIED6E[/video]

 

[3Hummers]

I have never had a Mini-14 as accurate as an AR-15 and I have had quite a few of both. In fact I wouldn't even bother shooting a Mini-14 at a target much past 100 yards. Great truck gun/plinker but not the first rifle I would grab if I wanted to hit something. That is comparing out of the box stock guns. Both can be "accuarized but I would still go with an AR.

 

[machineguneddie]

Then there will have to be a war.

I'm with you

 

[DJinCO]

Thanks. It has been an bad week on many levels.

 

[amrg]

What do you guys think of this?

http://gizmodo.com/5992364/watch-the-full-documentary-about-3d-printed-weapons-click-print-gun

 

[abearden]

I think it's the antis' worst nightmare. :thumbs:

 

[ArtHummer]

I thin this is a new "government regulation on 3d printing" is in the works...

 

[abearden]

I thin this is a new "government regulation on 3d printing" is in the works...

Which is funny because there are a few kits out there where you can build your own cnc and/or extruder. They might as well attempt to regulate the tool section at Home Depot for all the good it will do.