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GreatDaneHummer

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When I have the windows up and the air conditioning on I can only drive for so long before I have to open up the windows due to horrible exhaust smell / maybe coolent smell... not sure. I know some have talked about maybe header bolts being lose on theirs? Is this something to look at or better yet where does the air get drawn in at for air conditioning?
 

woodwardsh3

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Does it smell sweet check floor boards under the dash and see if it is wet. and are all rubber plugs in the firewall like where the wires run threw.
 

4speedfunk

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Check the cabin vent to see if its stuck open. (its on the rear hatch door, behind the spare tire). It can suck in fumes if its open.
 

GreatDaneHummer

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Ok figured it out... the dreaded H3 radiator crack... New radiator on its way. Whoever came up with the idea of putting plastic against metal on a radiator is just unreal; that engineer must not know how to tie his own shoes.
 

humvee

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CSF Radiator purchased through Vivid Racing with separate additional transmission cooler. It will be here tomorrow.

I get that same smell.. Website doesn't claim that this radiator cools better than OEM.
It would be great if you could post up Engine coolant temps with each set up.

Cheers and enjoy your super radiator.
 

GreatDaneHummer

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After speaking to the tech it is a 4 core radiator with 3 additional quarts worth of coolant. He said I should expect 25% plus better cooling over stock.
 

SuperBuickGuy

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I'm using Evans no water in my FJ40, and the temp gauge says 220*, however, a thermometer says 170* - I'm really tempted to swap out the fluid (it's an utter PITA to do) because mine does get a touch warm when wheeling in 100 degree weather.
 

GreatDaneHummer

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I have been really interested in the Evans water-less coolant but I have heard mixed reviews on it. My other thought on it is if I do have an issue with my cooling its easy to pick up a 50/50 mix from just about any gas station where no one has Evans.
 

4speedfunk

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You only need 50/50 if you live in Alaska...I've run 70/30 for 30 years with zero issues. Get a $5 test kit and measure the specific gravity. Adjust your mix for the minimum winter temp (I use -10F here in Indiana). Any more coolant than that is just reducing the capacity of the liquid to transfer heat. The best cooling you can get is 100% water. But, that offers zero freeze protection...zero boil protection...and zero lubrication for the water pump. So you do need some glycol in the mix but, 50/50 is a "worst case" ratio that auto makers simply throw in to cars to cover their a$$es. In most cases, its overkill. A 30% ratio is very common in industrial cooling applications, and that works for me.

Also...it doesn't matter how much improvement in cooling capacity a new radiator gives you. The thermostat is what controls the engine temperature. You can hook your motor up to the Pentagon's (the world's largest office building) cooling towers...and it will still operate at the same temp it does now. Unless your t-stat is missing or its stuck wide open...radiator capacity should not come into play. There should be plenty of headroom (extra capacity) designed into the system, as long as its clean inside. But remember...this is GM we're talking about here...so all bets are off.

I do know of several Alpha owners that seem to struggle with engine temps, and I assume these are running at or past the capacity of the radiator to cool at full-flow. These guys will periodically have to "give their Alpha's a rest", which seems to work. For those trucks...I could see the extra capacity might be needed. Regardless...the thermostat controls the flow, and the temperature. I personally feel that anything short of a true mechanical temperature gauge (full-sweep dial and capillary tube) is in-adequate for getting accurate temp readings. This includes ANY gauge with a sending unit...any computer readout...and most definitely, the useless Hot-to-Cold gauge that GM gives us on the H3 dashboard.

In most late-model cars that have cooling issues...its air in the system. The sending unit is most-likely "air-bound", and its reading the steam head rather than the liquid temperature. The sending unit only works if its submerged in liquid. Pretty much all late-model manufacturers now require a vacuum purge system to drain & fill the cooling system. The days of "top off the radiator" are gone, and those rules don't apply to modern vehicles. The reason? The radiator fill cap is rarely the high-point of the system like it was before the 80s.

Before 1980...all cars were basically "boxes". They were designed so the radiator cap was the highest point of the system...and they were essentially "self-purging". But, as cars got more aerodynamic and pointy in the nose, and interiors became more modern with heater cores in unusual locations...we can no longer assume the cooling system will purge itself. Even when you fill the radiator to the top...there is often a loop that is at a higher elevation than the radiator cap. This causes a giant bubble to be trapped (usually in the heater hose to/from loop). This bubble is not static. It moves around and migrates within the cooling system...often under acceleration & braking. When the bubble hits the water pump...flow stops. When it hits the sending unit...you get a false reading. So its super-important to purge the system with a vacuum pump to get all the air out. If you notice your heater blowing cold air in the winter...take off real fast from a stop, and if you feel a burst of hot air come out, and then it suddenly goes back to cold?...then you have air in the system. This same problem can play hell with cooling issues in the summer.
 

GreatDaneHummer

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Didn't you hear Chicago gets colder than Alaska? lol jk. I understand that the thermostat controls the temperature no matter what cooling capacity there is but when you are running hard in mud and its 100 degree's outside you want a radiator that has high enough capacity to cool when the thermostat asks for it. Last summer I had over heating at the Cliffs in just those same conditions with my factory temp gauge almost to the top. I had to shut it down and I thought maybe their was dirt in my radiator so I rinsed it off in the little river.
 

Ghostbuster

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Well I guess I've been lucky with my alpha. The radiator hasn't cracked. (I'm keeping my fingers crossed) Also my temp gauge never goes above halfway, it stays in this spot when up to operating temp.
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4speedfunk

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Yup. My 5-cyl. is the same way...right in the middle.

GDH is correct about the mud. That's something that hot-rodders and street rigs don't encounter. I pulled my Burb radiator a few years ago and found about three pounds of seeds jammed in it. I used that vehicle on a farm and I had driven across many hay & alfalfa fields, without realizing that it was acting like a thresher. Seriously...I harvested those fields with my radiator! It was jammed up so tight with seeds, that I just replaced it. It wasn't overheating but it was leaking, and a new one was only $150. So from now on...I don't drive thru fields of tall grass.
 

GreatDaneHummer

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This morning when I started up my H3 I had a loud clicking noise. My first thought is either a fuel injector bad or the fan clutch is going? No check engine lights etc. The time between each click does change when I hit the gas peddle. They happen more frequently. I did not have this happen yesterday at all on the way home. It is 65 degrees and 100% humidity today. New radiator goes in today so I have been just topping it off each morning for last 2 days for leakage. Not sure if my radiator problem has to do with this clicking noise. Any ideas guys?
 

4speedfunk

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I had some strange "clicking" coming from the rear of mine about a month ago. It did it three or four times right after start up. I think it was the purge canister (underneath by the rear axle). I also remember filling up the tank the night before I parked it...may have had something to do with it. Hasn't done it since.

Years ago I was road-tripping to the LBL from my place, and I stopped for a gas-up about 11pm. It was an old-school gas station in the middle of nowhere with mechanical pumps, and no self serve. A young woman came out, reset the pump, and I told here to "fill-it-up". That may have been a mistake. She squeezed every drop she could from the pump into my tank...I heard the handle clicking numerous times as she over-squeezed the self cancelling trigger on the pump handle. She put the cap on...I paid my bill...and drove away (pulling my trailer on this trip). For the next five or six miles...the gasoline fumes were awful and I could tell the entire vapor system was freaking out. Eventually, everything calmed down and went back to normal. So now when I fill up, and the handle stops by itself....I'm done. You can't over-squeeze modern vehicles like you could back in the day.
 
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