Tortion bar leveling

[Lance]

I know this topic has been gone over but im looking for some good input.I am super new as in i have never messed with vehicles before, I do construction I'm not a vehicle guy but I want to mod my 2007 h3... First I want to level it off...and from what I can see there is alot of do and do not on this topic of tortion bar lift...I guess main question is...am i going to mess anything up going to 23.5" hub to fender lip? I'm not made of money so I'm trying to do everything as cheep as possible and I will never go bigger then 315 75 r16 tires. Also going to add heavier bumpers at some point, your opinion means alot thank you.

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[derian06]

You'll be fine at 23.5, and welcome to the forum.

 

[Lance]

I just keep reading so much for and against it but I sure as hell don't want to get a leveling kit if all it does is save the "ride" if its that bad I could just fork the money for an actually lift

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[derian06]

I just keep reading so much for and against it but I sure as hell don't want to get a leveling kit if all it does is save the "ride" if its that bad I could just fork the money for an actually lift

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I've rode in H3's with both, and it feels exactly the same. But thats just my first hand experience. Really shocks do more than the "leveling kit" ever will.

 

[Lance]

I'm guessing an actual 4" lift is upwards if a grand anyway. Out of my range right now.

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[Lance]

Prob try lift it tonight thanks @derian06

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[SedonaBound]

Do some research; there are hundreds of posts on leveling. Most guys just crank the torsion bars and forego buying the leveling kit (t-bar key). Best to plan on a front end alignment afterward. I've never done it because I've read too many posts about steering racks and CV joints gone bad and I choose not to tempt the front end gods unnecessarily.

 

[Lance]

@SedonaBound i have been researching for about three days since @Derian06 told me about it, and there are arguments on both sides as to where its bad or good, both seem to agree that you just should not go "too high" but that height seems to change from one person to the next.

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[derian06]

@SedonaBound i have been researching for about three days since @Derian06 told me about it, and there are arguments on both sides as to where its bad or good, both seem to agree that you just should not go "too high" but that height seems to change from one person to the next.

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I ran 315's and wheeled them at 24" hub to fender with absolutely no problems. And I wheeled it pretty hard with some good tire spin, but I also wheel 37's harder and have had no problems with anything.

After my SOA I plan on re cranking my torsion bars to grab another 2"-3" of lift.

 

[Lance]

I tend to side with you on this one i dont think I'll have any issues

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[digglesworth]

I'm at 28 5/8 hub to fender.... Oh wait, that's cause I have the Rancho/soa and 1" body lift... Hahaha...
You'll be ok at 23.5". Think of your suspension travel as a vertical line. The bottom of the line is full droop, the top is full compression. Your torsion bars set the neutral position (ride height) somewhere in between those two points. When you crank the t-bars, all you're doing is moving that neutral point to another position within your range of travel. Cv shafts pivot enough to accommodate the full range of travel. The extra strain on them comes from changing their angle in which they've gotten used to running at. (Same effect as prop shaft cv when increasing the angle when adding Rancho lift)...
As far as the rack goes, you can crank bars to high and stress the rack. Mainly where the inner tie rod connects to the rack. It's a ball/socket joint that lets the tie rod move up and down as suspension cycles. If you crank too high, the angle will increase to a point that instead of allowing the tie rod to swing up with the suspension, it will actually cause the tie rod to push up on the end of the rack...

 

[rascole]

I am curious as to what could be good about a torsion key lift. It does nothing but crank the torsion bar.

 

[GreatDaneHummer]

By cranking the torsion bar you lift the front end higher providing you more ground clearance for off road conditions. I had 23.5" but had a horrible time trying to get the alignment correct. I had to go down to 22.75 in order to have it aligned and drive correct. The bolt on your upper control arm adjusting camber will bottom out hitting the welds on the frame at 23.5 on my truck.

 

[Lance]

Thanks guys! I cranked them up to 23.5 going to get it aligned soon I'll let you know what they say.

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[GreatDaneHummer]

Please do update and let me know how the alignment goes? I am thinking due to not being able to get my truck's camber to align maybe the bushings on my A arms are warn off set?

 

[derian06]

By cranking the torsion bar you lift the front end higher providing you more ground clearance for off road conditions. I had 23.5" but had a horrible time trying to get the alignment correct. I had to go down to 22.75 in order to have it aligned and drive correct. The bolt on your upper control arm adjusting camber will bottom out hitting the welds on the frame at 23.5 on my truck.

I've never heard of that happening before, thats strange.

 

[GreatDaneHummer]

If I actually could post up pictures on this site I would love to show you guys what is happening.