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What comes after the Hummer?

Big2dabank

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Just like any business, the cost of regulatory compliance is passed on to the consumer. Factor that in with the demand for new cars with newer body styles and features, and you can clearly see that this trend will not change until the consumer market place stops buying at these prices. I told myself I would never buy a new car again, but ended up buying a 2015 Suburban last year, I was pushing for a lightly used hugely discounted 2014, but when my wife grabbed me by the balls and told me how much she really wanted a new one, well, thats all it took. I am sure most new car purchases are made under similar pressure.
 

JPaul

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Another thing to factor in with the price of new cars is that I very much doubt a Ford Pinto came from the factory with A/C, power mirrors, power windows, fancy electronic stereo, plus all the safety features cars currently have to have, and all the other crap that goes into "basic" cars these days. If you built a car that aside from the required safety and emissions features, had the same exact options a car from 1970 had, it'd be easy to build it and sell it for super cheap. No A/C, manual windows and mirrors, spartan interior, etc.

But no, everyone has to have all the doodad's you get in a Mercedes S-Series, so the cost of cars is grossly inflated these days compared to what they cost 40 years ago, or even 20 years ago. It's not just the EPA stuff, or even the safety stuff that is driving up costs. Realistically those bits don't really cost that much, and with safety a lot of it is just designing the structure to not suck at getting hit and crumpling weird. Airbags are cheap these days, as is most of the electronic management of the engines and chassis. Just because it costs $1000 for a new ECU for your car doesn't mean that is even remotely what it cost the manufacturer. Replacement parts on new cars are comparatively expensive, it's just another way to make money for the manufacturers and parts suppliers.

So blaming it all on EPA and the gubment is misplaced. Yes, it has caused some price increases. But people also want fancy looking cars and will pay the premium for them. Add onto that the constant battle the factory workers have with getting higher pay and benefits (which is why a good chunk of the work is now done by robots, in addition to the increased efficiency), plus increased cost for raw materials (if you shoot guns you know how insane copper prices have become in the last 10 years) and a multitude of other factors, and you begin to see why cars have outpaced inflation.

There's also a lot of products that have stayed below the rate of inflation. Lego's for example. :) Lego set's have always cost around the same amount in actual dollars (not adjusting for inflation). So technically they've become cheaper! And they keep their value better than my H3 ever will. Forget stocks, invest in Lego sets. Keep them unopened and sell them 20 years later for ten times or more what you paid for it.

But I digress.

BTW, I need $220,000 to buy a Mercedes Maybach S600. Anyone got that laying around they can give me?
 

FenrisUltra

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Not sure if this was ever brought up or has been discussed but I like many others im sure have thought about what to do next when parts get even worse to find and eventually like all things my Hummer dies for good. Almost brings me to cry just thinking about it.

First and foremost I really do not feel very strongly towards owning a Jeep. They are perfectly fine off road but they are no Hummer period. Toyota 4 Runner does have a lot of possibilities much like a Hummer H3 but is not as supported in the after market community as I would like and with smaller wheel openings many only go up to 33" tires even with a 3" lift etc. I really enjoy my 35" tires and would love to have 37" on my next vehicle.

Besides these two due to trucks just being too big for 80% of trails out there WHAT IS LEFT? Does anyone know what their next step will be or is a Jeep really all the off road community has to purchase?

Thanks!

If you want a good vehicle go get yourself a retired M998 like I did or M1151 HMMWV (or something) from places like http://www.govplanet.com/Humvees then you go to http://www.real4wd.com to get replacement parts for them. If your in the US, then it's so easy and so cheap to get them but if your in Canada, then you have to fly them into Canada to get around the US customs at the boarder, or do what I did and get a auto dealer to do all the work. This is why my M998 cost me $47,000 rather then $7000 US like you see on the site. They are far better then any H2 or H3 (sorry to say this but H2/3's are a laugh compared to the real deal anyway). The HMMWV is even better then the H1 because they (can be) lighter, they are simpler trucks, they have no fancy interior or accessory items that break down on you, many parts have national stock numbers which makes them built to military standards for ultra high reliability, and they are waaaay more modular then any Hummer so after market H1 parts can easily fit the truck.

Also for good tech support on these trucks, all you need to do is ask questions on the Steel Solders and G503 forums
 

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FenrisUltra

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There are 2 ways I found out how to beat that system, I know in some provinces in Canada, if a vehicle doesn't have a VIN you can get one assigned to it. The truck does have a registration ID that you maybe able to use by bringing it to a auto insurance company so they can assign a VIN to it. The other way I have seen these things hit the roads in CA is by looking at getting a dealer plate put on them. Maybe that can help you out some...
 

SuperBuickGuy

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such a good question that I think I have more then one answer. I've been pondering this over the last week or two and, despite my prior stated desire to own a new Colorado - I'm starting to think that it's time to fall off the new car bandwagon. Ever since they started with the whole black-box stuff and OnStar, I've been more reluctant to give others what I consider to be my information.

I like the new diesels, but quite honestly I can put that diesel in my H3 and have something cool. That said, my plan for the H3 is to put an H2 motor/trans (and have been following along on the 6 speed conversion). I need a pickup, but even so, I can make an old truck do everything a new truck does by dipping in the aftermarket. All-in, my FJ40 will be 10x the wheeler of the H3; and I can do the same for a truck... so my next rig... more likely going to be something old that I make new. It won't cost much less than a new truck, but it will be my truck and odds-are (since I've done this a few times) is the truck won't lose value... figure I'll have 25,000-40,000 in my 'new' old truck. In that case, my H3 will be a backup rig until I need to build another SAR rig (after I wear out the FJ40) and I'll give it the same treatment... there, I'm covered for the next 20 years.... after that, maybe I'll drop a million on a new truck (price will continue to go up, I'm sure ;))
 

JPaul

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While buying a Hummer off of Govplanet sounds like a great idea, all you're going to end up with is a purely trail rig, they apparently are NOT selling them for onroad use, ONLY offroad (at least in the US). So while you can title it, you won't be able to drive it on road legally. Which sucks a lot. But I doubt they will change it back any time soon. So, unless you are just looking for a strictly offroad use vehicle, the de-mil'd Hummers are not the way to go for us.
 

rascole

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I was told Non-Op or Off-road use only, were my only options and I haven't found a insurance company that would insure it. In litigation happy California, a small fender bender can take you house.
 

RamRod

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While buying a Hummer off of Govplanet sounds like a great idea, all you're going to end up with is a purely trail rig, they apparently are NOT selling them for onroad use, ONLY offroad (at least in the US). So while you can title it, you won't be able to drive it on road legally. Which sucks a lot. But I doubt they will change it back any time soon. So, unless you are just looking for a strictly offroad use vehicle, the de-mil'd Hummers are not the way to go for us.

That was the case when they first started selling them, but they are changing/changed that rule due to the popularity of these auctions.

I think it is still difficult to bring across the boarder by Iron Planet had a article a few months back about the update (it will also apply to units already sold as well)

I will see if I can find that article


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rsc

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I found the HUMMER replacement. Looks like the Hx survived, lol. Actually, it has Jeep Wrangler underpinnings so I'm not sure about it at the asking price.

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dwysywd

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While buying a Hummer off of Govplanet sounds like a great idea, all you're going to end up with is a purely trail rig, they apparently are NOT selling them for onroad use, ONLY offroad (at least in the US). So while you can title it, you won't be able to drive it on road legally. Which sucks a lot. But I doubt they will change it back any time soon. So, unless you are just looking for a strictly offroad use vehicle, the de-mil'd Hummers are not the way to go for us.

I just got mine plated and clean MI title. Most states will not let you remove the OHV -off highway vehicle from the title. So, it's a lot of work, and not for everyone. But it can be done.


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LagunaH1

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Another vehicle some might want to consider is the RAM Power Wagon. It comes very well equipped from the factory, just like our H1's 2's and 3's did. Yeah, it's big... but... so is my H1 and that's not a problem most of the time.
 
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650Hawk

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Believe it or not, my last 4X (other than my wife's '06 Tahoe) was a 1989 4WD Toyota Van, and it got some relatively serious off-roading, as well as being a daily driver! I owned it for 14 years (bought it used with 50K miles on it), and sold it with just under 400K miles, still all original 'cept for a trans rebuild at 300K! Amazed alot of people with it (including myself!). No other vehicle I know of (not even my H3) will seat 7 (w/ swivel captains chairs in the middle row), fit a full 4x8 sheet of plywood inside, keep drinks cold AND make ice cubes (factory fridge/icemaker in the front console), separate front/rear heater/AC systems, with a shorter wheelbase and tighter turning radius than a Tercel...AND make people shake their heads in disbelief when you drop over the Dropoff in Borrego, crawl up Coyote Canyon into Anza, or go over Comp Hill at Glamis!













Point being that while driving my van, I could not fathom a replacement, but eventually it happened (my H3). So while I don't have any idea of what could replace my H3, at some point it will be necessary, and something will fit the bill. In the meantime, I'm just going to enjoy the hell out it!.
 
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650Hawk

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It had an icemaker??
Yup, from the factory. Big enough for a 6-pack plus two non-spillable ice cube trays; they would freeze up in about 30-40 minutes! You can see the unit below, the section with the drink holders is the lid:

 

Ryan212

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likely keep the h3 for a while but a h1 could replace it I do not want to give up the duramax power, so that makes it a far more expensive option.
 

dwysywd

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While buying a Hummer off of Govplanet sounds like a great idea, all you're going to end up with is a purely trail rig, they apparently are NOT selling them for onroad use, ONLY offroad (at least in the US). So while you can title it, you won't be able to drive it on road legally. Which sucks a lot. But I doubt they will change it back any time soon. So, unless you are just looking for a strictly offroad use vehicle, the de-mil'd Hummers are not the way to go for us.

This is incorrect. Lots of people have done it. Including myself. It's an ass ton of work. But it can be done.

Realized I replied to the same post 2 times! Lmao. Doh!

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Jeff

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