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06 H3's Rancho build!

06 H3

a.k.a. "The Jackal"
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the steering gear temporarily stopped its noises...I will be emailing you with a few thoughts, I am going to purchase one of those new racks on ebay but before I install it I wanna talk with you on mounting and then use this old one as a spare.
 

davidh3

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Why is rear sagging? Is that simply because of the "soft" rear shocks? Can I solve that rear sagging problem by replacing rear shocks?
 

06 H3

a.k.a. "The Jackal"
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Why is rear sagging? Is that simply because of the "soft" rear shocks? Can I solve that rear sagging problem by replacing rear shocks?

Hey david,

The shocks arent the issue. The leaf springs are too soft and cant handle the weight. For years people have been fixing the issue with shackles or air bags to assist the weak leaf springs. I wanted to get a spring pack designed so for the people who are afraid to do a radical change like a spring over, where fab is required, a simple swap of leaf springs can give the added height needed. I thought it was a great idea, so bebe recommended deaver spring. They have been a big name in the off road racing industry for years and are just an hour or so away from me. After they designed the springs I was happy as I got the added height I needed the correct way but deaver uses thin leaves instead of thick. Mine is a 10 leaf pack where ranchos is 4-6. I lost a ton of clearance under the axle...Even though I did my research I missed that part :gaah:With the help of tim we contacted rancho and told them about the issue of the sagging springs and how it has been happening for years. I truly dont get it though, how does a big name company not see the feedback of their product. Anyways, they have now agreed to make a new spring pack that will now allow the correct height needed, which is great, tuff country still uses their original design to my knowledge. I may go that route or just go with a spring over. the deavers are great for prerunning, comfort and all sorts of 4 wheeling excluding rocks. They will just hang up with being about 3 inches thick vs the ranchos at 1.5in thick. I love rock crawling so a spring over may suit me best. My only concern is that I am not capable of doing a spring over. I can weld but the geometry of it and the question of are my welds strong enough compared to a guy like speedy who did bebes Spring over, Hes an experienced guy whos been welding for years and I am just a newbie.

thats the long repsonse but the springs will not hold. If you go rancho make sure to get the new design springs! A shop who has them in stock probably has the older set. If you order direct from tim or rancho you will get the new ones...
 

davidh3

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Hey david,

The shocks arent the issue. The leaf springs are too soft and cant handle the weight. For years people have been fixing the issue with shackles or air bags to assist the weak leaf springs. I wanted to get a spring pack designed so for the people who are afraid to do a radical change like a spring over, where fab is required, a simple swap of leaf springs can give the added height needed. I thought it was a great idea, so bebe recommended deaver spring. They have been a big name in the off road racing industry for years and are just an hour or so away from me. After they designed the springs I was happy as I got the added height I needed the correct way but deaver uses thin leaves instead of thick. Mine is a 10 leaf pack where ranchos is 4-6. I lost a ton of clearance under the axle...Even though I did my research I missed that part :gaah:With the help of tim we contacted rancho and told them about the issue of the sagging springs and how it has been happening for years. I truly dont get it though, how does a big name company not see the feedback of their product. Anyways, they have now agreed to make a new spring pack that will now allow the correct height needed, which is great, tuff country still uses their original design to my knowledge. I may go that route or just go with a spring over. the deavers are great for prerunning, comfort and all sorts of 4 wheeling excluding rocks. They will just hang up with being about 3 inches thick vs the ranchos at 1.5in thick. I love rock crawling so a spring over may suit me best. My only concern is that I am not capable of doing a spring over. I can weld but the geometry of it and the question of are my welds strong enough compared to a guy like speedy who did bebes Spring over, Hes an experienced guy whos been welding for years and I am just a newbie.

thats the long repsonse but the springs will not hold. If you go rancho make sure to get the new design springs! A shop who has them in stock probably has the older set. If you order direct from tim or rancho you will get the new ones...

Is Tim here? I don't know this awesome guy yet.

And, when making a full turn-turning the steering wheel to maximum, I feel my 35" tires rub the frame, terribly. If I install Rancho, 35s never rub the frame again,right?
 
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06 H3

a.k.a. "The Jackal"
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I dont rub anymore...but that also can be dependent on what backspacing and offset you run. I believe but am not 100% sure that the required backspacing to run a rancho lift will avoid the rubbing with 35s.
 

Hunner

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Like playing cards or those cheap baseball cards you never thought would be worth a fortune when you stuck them in your bicycle spokes, or was that my generation and now they have audio chips that do that?
 
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