The Gun Control Debate - A Place for Your Perspective

[Expendable]

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[cgalpha08]

The day they come for my guns is the day that I and my fellow Americans become outlaws. Hate to say that but its the truth.

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[deserth3]

The day they come for my guns is the day that I and my fellow Americans become outlaws. Hate to say that but its the truth.

Remember before we can be legaly considered outlaws. The law will have to make it through congress and if passed it will very quickly be brought to the Supreme Court. There are very many on the left that support the 2nd amendment as there are some on the right who don't.

And even if it passes all that or the president manages a presidential decree without getting impeached. Who's going to collect our guns. The military? many of them would rightly consider this an illegal order. Local cops have enough to worry about without walking up a known armed house with probable armed neighbors watching.
And even if they somehow manage to convince factions of Home Land Security or the military to come get our guns. Who's going to support them? They have to eat, sleep, and all of the rest of the support provided by local comunities to survive. All a state or local government would have to do is turn off the power and block the roads so fuel and food can not get into the facility. They can be easily starved out.
Also remember each state has their own National Guard which is controled by the Governor. They can only be released to Federal Duty with the permission of the Governor.
If you happen to live in a state who's governor is dumb enough to release their National Guard to Federal duty. Those troops then come under the Posse Comitatus Act. Which is very restrictive to Federal Troops are allowed to legally do once off federal property. Brings old cheesy movie "Tank" with James Garner to mind.

I think we are much closer to an economic colapse or a natural disaster. Or both.

One last word. The I'll get off my soap box.....

Those of you is California are screwed no matter what happens..... Within 5 years you will be reduced to muzzle loaders.... Run while you can!:gaah:

 

[3Hummers]

My legal residence is Texas and you are right. This state ( CA ) is so screwed up it can never be saved. The dumba$$ liberals that run this place think they have it right so they aren't even looking for ways to fix it, except for raising taxes so they can throw away even more money on their stupid and hairbrained schemes. Local sheriff's will make a big difference and mine is a formal US Marshall that is a tremendous advocate of the 2nd Amendment, concealed carry and the right to self defense. Hope he lives and runs for office forever.

 

[poncho1965]

Posse Comitatus

Did you just call me a ***** communist? LOL

 

[deserth3]

Did you just call me a ***** communist? LOL

LOL... For the younger crowd. Most of this is correct.
Except for the last statement where he says he needs authority from the president. Even then he couldn't legaly do it except in cases such as Nuclear, Chemical, or Biolgical warfare. I think Bush added terrorism to that. These exceptins were added because the federal Government is better equiped to handle these problems.
During Katrina the Coast Guard used helicopters to rescue people. Technically this was illegal. But was ignored by most people for humanitarian purposes.
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[deserth3]

Oh yeah. Forgot Insurrection and invasion. Insurrectoin is the one we would have to worry about.

 

[Kurt]

Went to sign up for a Hunting safety class so I can get a pig tag here, lucked out, the store just got a shipment of lower AR-receivers, so once I clear DROS I can start building my first set of AR's without having to pay panic prices for them.

Of course it'll probably take me a few weeks to track down all the kit I want.... bleh. And more ammo.

I wanted to pick up a few bolt action and cowboy guns first, the AR was pretty low on my priority list but with the gun control cloud looming over everything I figure I'd better get them now.

 

[3Hummers]

Kurt, where did you find the lowers?

 

[deserth3]

I just picked up a Bolt Action Ruger American in 308. They also come in a few other calibers. The only thing is it comes without iron sights so you'll have to get a scope.
Nice lite weight rifle and I thougt very afordable at 350.00.

 

[MaxPF]

LOL... For the younger crowd. Most of this is correct.
Except for the last statement where he says he needs authority from the president. Even then he couldn't legaly do it except in cases such as Nuclear, Chemical, or Biolgical warfare.

In an NBC situation, which is covered under a separate act, the military can be used domestically for the purpose of investigation and other non-law enforcement duties. In fact, the military can be used domestically in many cases, as long as they are not enforcing the law in any way. The PCA specifically refers to the use of military for law enforcement.

I think Bush added terrorism to that. These exceptins were added because the federal Government is better equiped to handle these problems.

That was added to the 1807 Insurrection act by Congress in 2007, and was repealed in it's entirety by Congress in 2008. As it is, the original Insurrection act stands.

During Katrina the Coast Guard used helicopters to rescue people. Technically this was illegal. But was ignored by most people for humanitarian purposes.

That is incorrect, for two reasons. The Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Security, not the Department of Defense. More improtantly, the PCA specifically states "From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress" The part that says "by act of Congress" is specific and important. 14 U.S.C. § 2 authorizes the Coast Guard to enforce federal law, and 18 U.S.C. § 1385 specifically exempts the Coast Guard from Posse Comitatus as well as Department of Defense policy prohibiting use of military for domestic law enforcement. Thus, even though they are military, they are legally able to enforce law domestically since Congress specifically authorized them to do so.

The second reason is that rescuing people is not considered law enforcement. In fact, it would have been completely legal for the President to use active duty and reserve military units for this purpose as well.

MaxPF
Armchair shyster

 

[deserth3]

MaxPF
Armchair shyster

LOL.. And better one than me.
Thanks for the info.
I remember a couple of days during Katrina it was in the news talking about the Coast Guard may have been illegal amongst everything being Bushs fault. So much for truth in Journalism.

 

[MaxPF]

LOL.. And better one than me.
Thanks for the info.
I remember a couple of days during Katrina it was in the news talking about the Coast Guard may have been illegal amongst everything being Bushs fault. So much for truth in Journalism.

Oh, the mainstream media hated Bush. If he hadn't used the Coasties, they would have complained that he was shirking his responsibility by not using all assets at his disposal. :roll:

 

[deserth3]

Oh, the mainstream media hated Bush. If he hadn't used the Coasties, they would have complained that he was shirking his responsibility by not using all assets at his disposal. :roll:

I do like Bush. No matter what happened he stood tall and took responsibility for his administration. Not like our current president who sits arround like an impertenent little child, nose up in the air wearing a diaper that's FOS (Medical term for Full Of ****) blaming everyone else because his rear stinks.

 

[deserth3]

Here is a great article I found in the local paper this morning.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23693773&ni...t-do-infringe-on-2nd-amendment&s_cid=queue-21

I love this little statement right here...

In United States v. Miller, the U.S. Supreme Court noted that the Second Amendment protected an individual's right to own guns that could be used for the “common defense.” Specifically, the Supreme Court said that “ordinarily when called for service (men in the militia) were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”

Common for infantry at the time were muskets. Common for infantry in our time is the AR-15, a civilian version of the Army’s M-16.

 

[Kurt]

Kurt, where did you find the lowers?

Some turners locations. I got mine in Pasadena. I have a few friends going down in the morning to try to get one. S&W M&P 15 stripped lower for 149 or 159. One per customer.

They aren't picking up the phone or they are denying everything on the phone....

as a backup they have a large order of billet lowers coming in on feb from Franklin Armory for $240 or so... They're taking deposits on those

 

[3Hummers]

Actually with a Texas license I couldn't get one here anyway.

 

[Green 1]

Dave if you want one let me know what you want and willing to pay and I will see what I can do tomorrow. 3 weeks and 3 gun shows.

 

[3Hummers]

Stripped or plain lowers all the way to having CAR buttstocks. Want to have a couple of lowers to build later. Going rate is all over the map. Call me with prices.

 

[bebe]

Lanza had issues. His mother should have had the guns locked up where he could not get them.

She was probably trying to be his friend :roll:

There really isn't a "debate" as I see it.

 

[Green 1]

She was probably trying to be his friend :roll:

There really isn't a "debate" as I see it.

I could not agree more. There should not be a gun debate it should be about the real problems.

 

[Expendable]

I can't recall if this has been posted but here we go:

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

[MaxPF]

Legislation? Who needs it? Apparently, not Barry...


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[Kurt]

New York state just got ****tier with its gun laws.... at least Greg Ball called the whole scheme for what it is... doing nothing to address crime and a stunt for Cuomo for his 2016 presidential bid.


http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/...nveils-gun-bill-but-no-deal-for-vote-tonight/

I can see a few folks in CA getting a few bright ideas...


Hahah wow .. I just noticed they made a ton of semi-automatic handguns "Assault Weapons" in New York State law....and gave owners 1 year to sell "high capacity magazines" out of state.

High capacity meaning anything above 7 rounds...

 

[abearden]

New York state just got ****tier with its gun laws.... at least Greg Ball called the whole scheme for what it is... doing nothing to address crime and a stunt for Cuomo for his 2016 presidential bid.


http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/...nveils-gun-bill-but-no-deal-for-vote-tonight/

I can see a few folks in CA getting a few bright ideas...


Hahah wow .. I just noticed they made a ton of semi-automatic handguns "Assault Weapons" in New York State law....and gave owners 1 year to sell "high capacity magazines" out of state.

High capacity meaning anything above 7 rounds...

7 rounds? WTF? Other than hunting guns, I don't know anything that has detachable magazines that small except maybe a compact .45. They're going to just keep pushing until you only get a 2-round mag...then no magazine...then ban them because "they're useless anyway." Morons.