Any bodybuilders/lifters here?

[High Five H2]

datgum, you are not plateauing are you, derian?

panzer - wtf is wrong with you?!? lol

 

[derian06]

datgum, you are not plateauing are you, derian?

panzer - wtf is wrong with you?!? lol

Strength is starting to slow down, i'm not gaining 10lbs on every lift every gym session anymore haha. My goal is to have the best body of my life by june 8 (17th birthday) so lets see how that goes.

 

[derian06]

I'll give a shot o that, I'm also thinking leg raises or pull ups...just no more crunches or sit-ups, and this cramping has also happen to me before when puking or just bending over, I'll go with the doctors and see if it due to lack of exercise or something else.
Anyways thanks for the input buddy.


Torres[/QUOTE]
By the way why is it that you were training abs in the first place? If it's for this reason i'll shed light on a really common gym myth "if you train abs you'll lose fat on your stomach." That statement is false, your body is pre-genetically disposed to lose fat wherever your body wants to let it go.

If you're training abs for core strength it may be time to start going with squats, deadlifts, overhead presses. They'll naturally make your core stronger. But if you want to burn fat it's all about the diet.

 

[mudbug]

[/QUOTE]
By the way why is it that you were training abs in the first place? If it's for this reason i'll shed light on a really common gym myth "if you train abs you'll lose fat on your stomach." That statement is false, your body is pre-genetically disposed to lose fat wherever your body wants to let it go.

If you're training abs for core strength it may be time to start going with squats, deadlifts, overhead presses. They'll naturally make your core stronger. But if you want to burn fat it's all about the diet.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the male body actually loses stomach fat last. If your body is chunky around the mid section by doing ab work outs will actually push the fat out to the side creating bigger love handles.

 

[Larrysride]

Good for you man! That's awesome you've been able to make a positive change. I'm a skinny guy and it's always been the opposite battle, but I still love it.

 

[derian06]

3 months 2 days later

2 months 20 days**

 

[Panzer07]

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By the way why is it that you were training abs in the first place? [/QUOTE]

It was more of a core-abs-middle section work out, I've divide my gym session in thee categories as to give the muscles enough time to heal. An they are as follow: upper body day (meaning chest, back, arms, etc), then the middle section (all them muscles in the center I'm not familiar with the names), and lastly lower body aka leg day. I do a 15 min cardio at a 6 mile pace before each workout to get blood flowing and warm up the muscles after steering first of course...today is my 3 day of hitting the gym...and my plan is to keep going 2 time a day and work the same body parts twice, once in the morning with the wife and in the evening with a buddy of mine in the evening. Depending on how I feel tomorrow after today's workout I'll determine if I start the cycle again or if I should integrate a 4 day in of a full body recovery such as yoga, and swim sauna and spay...to relax and loosen the muscles.
I'm an amateur so I'm in the learning and experimenting phase. But yeah I understand I need to drop the bmi in order for muscle to show and all other **** that goes with it. I want to get the personal trainer but it I don't quite justify the $85 dollars per hr session.


Torres

 

[cgalpha08]

I always do at least one day of core a week. As mudbug said core strength will really help with some of the lifts you do.

On a side note I finally broke into the 300s on squat

 

[derian06]

Bmi doesn't matter, all that matters is bodyfat percentage, and I only do ass to grass squats so it really works my core, lumbar, glutes, hams, quads. It hits it all.

A regular split is: push, pull, legs (chest and tris, back and bi's, legs)

I'm on a 5 day split: chest, back, legs, shoulders and traps, arms. Which has been working wonders for me.

 

[Panzer07]

Bmi doesn't matter, all that matters is bodyfat percentage, and I only do ass to grass squats so it really works my core, lumbar, glutes, hams, quads. It hits it all.

A regular split is: push, pull, legs (chest and tris, back and bi's, legs)

I'm on a 5 day split: chest, back, legs, shoulders and traps, arms. Which has been working wonders for me.

No agree with you BMI is garbage but it does matter when you are in the armed forces or trying to get in the Police academy.
And that sounds like a good combos you got there. And you can see the results I'll keep it up this month and track result in 2 weeks and then 4...to keep the motivation levels up.


Torres

 

[taylorblake831]

Yea bmi matters in DOD I have to tape every time I weight in too 6'1 210lbs at 13% and btw no trying to step on toes here but training abs/obliques is important. Maybe not as important as other groups but you still need to do them and if you get set in a routine and stay with it you will plateau at some point

 

[derian06]

Yea bmi matters in DOD I have to tape every time I weight in too 6'1 210lbs at 13% and btw no trying to step on toes here but training abs/obliques is important. Maybe not as important as other groups but you still need to do them and if you get set in a routine and stay with it you will plateau at some point

Interesting I may do a mix of cardio and abs vs the 45 mins of walking I do every night before bed.

 

[poweraidon]

Chest/tri, back/bi, shoulder/trap, leg, rest and repeat


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[derian06]

Chest/tri, back/bi, shoulder/trap, leg, rest and repeat


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But on arms day you feel like such a badass with the pump man. My arms go from 17" to 18.5" with a pump:

 

[poweraidon]

But on arms day you feel like such a badass with the pump man. My arms go from 17" to 18.5" with a pump:

Lol I don't even hit biceps much anymore most of your arm growth will come from compound movements like bench and rows


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[High Five H2]

that's my plan, too - push/pull/legs. I used to do krav maga so on upper body days I vent my frustrations on a punching bag until I get too tired, which is about 3 minutes these days. Legs days I do abs. Off days I run. I'm trying to lose weight so I get in as much cardio as possible without cutting into lifting. It's hard to lose weight and gain muscle, though. the human body does not like to do that.

 

[taylorblake831]

Mhmm for example for two months I'll work oppositing muscle groups and then for two I'll work back normal like back bis, chest tris, together then the next two months I work chest back, then arm day bis tris shoulders

 

[High Five H2]

anyone here ever had any success with muscle confusion? I've always thought that was bull crap. I did P90X and I got results, but I'm pretty sure it's because it was a dang hard workout. I had a long "discussion" with my brother about it and he didn't believe me. I figure, the muscle fiber doesn't care if you're doing hammer curls or preacher curls, as long as it gets worked out and you get the entire muscle.

 

[derian06]

anyone here ever had any success with muscle confusion? I've always thought that was bull crap. I did P90X and I got results, but I'm pretty sure it's because it was a dang hard workout. I had a long "discussion" with my brother about it and he didn't believe me. I figure, the muscle fiber doesn't care if you're doing hammer curls or preacher curls, as long as it gets worked out and you get the entire muscle.

The process of muscle confusion is changing up your workouts to break past plateaus, and it is infact true. If you stop getting stronger when doing 3 reps then switch to 8-12 you'll continue to get gainz. I believe it's because your body adapts to your workouts so if you're constantly at the same intensity, same reps, same exercises, same sets you will plateau.

Strength is measured by the neurological connection between your brain and the muscle. The more nueropathways to the muscle you have the more muscle fibers can fire/contract, resulting in more strength. Those nueropathways are created when your body is put under new stress.

You want myofibrillar hypertrophy which is building muscle while creating those new neurological connections, that is why training heavy is always great.

So, in conclusion muscle confusion is a real thing and your workouts can benefit from it.

 

[High Five H2]

I'm pretty knowledgeable about muscle function and stuff like that. I have a MS in physiology and developmental biology, and that's why I'm skeptical about muscle confusion. I've also been lifting on-and-off since about junior high when I started wrestling. I get that when you increase the reps and weight you grow, but Tony Horton's theory that if you do different lifts will get gains is what gets me. If two different lifts workout the same muscle fibers with the same amount of weight, then you should see equivalent gains. In his videos, you do bicep curl, and then hammer curl, and then barbell curl. I'm sure there's no harm in it but it seems like a gimmick to me. The only way I can see gains happening is if a workout targets a slightly different part of the muscle. Then, you get gains there but lose out when you quit doing the other workout. so, then, you might as well do both, right? That's why I try to hit each muscle with at least 2 lifts to get it from a variety of angles. For example, I do bench press, incline and decline press. Then, I do butterflies to isolate the pecs.

I don't think Horton was talking about increasing weight and doing more reps to see gains. I mean, that's just basic weightlifting. I think as long as you're hitting every single fiber in the muscle, and increasing weight as you become stronger, then that's all you should need to do.

Also, there aren't any new neuromuscular junctions formed as you get bigger. Muscles are all innervated before you're born between around 3 to 6 months. When you start lifting, you have muscle fibers that aren't used that are basically in reserve. The body recruits those at first, which is why a new lifter won't see any gains at all for a month after beginning a new routine. It seems like gains would be fastest at the beginning, but there's kind of a sigmoidal curve. After that, fibers just get bigger, which is why you also see plateaus - the body has a natural limit to how big it wants muscle fibers to get. The body doesn't need new nerves. A single nerve can innervate one fiber the same, regardless if it's a big fiber or a small one.

I get really into development and all that. I miss it a lot since I do environmental regulation stuff. We looked at a few studies that looked at how the nerves travel from the brain to the muscle using signals that basically tell the nerve "turn around" if they start growing in the wrong direction. some of the undergrads got excited because they thought it could be used to regrow nerves that have been severed or damaged, but those signals are only there during development. I kind of busted their bubble there... but it would be cool.

anyways! sorry for the book! I'm not trying to argue, but I do like to talk about how muscles work and stuff. it's super interesting to me. I mean... I spent 9 years in school studying it.

 

[High Five H2]

Just as an aside, it really bugs me when girls say they do 15 or 20 reps. Man, you're just wasting your time if you're lifting that light. lift heavy or go home. trying to turn weight lifting into cardio is dumb. if you're only doing one muscle, then that's hardly a workout at all. cardio should be all of your body. Which reminds me - if your gym has a punching bag, try that. holy crap. way harder than running.

 

[derian06]

Just as an aside, it really bugs me when girls say they do 15 or 20 reps. Man, you're just wasting your time if you're lifting that light. lift heavy or go home. trying to turn weight lifting into cardio is dumb. if you're only doing one muscle, then that's hardly a workout at all. cardio should be all of your body. Which reminds me - if your gym has a punching bag, try that. holy crap. way harder than running.

Very informative and an interesting read, what are your thoughts on muscle exhaustion before/after a workout "burnouts" training to failure ect.

 

[chaos254]

I pick it up and put it down

 

[Panzer07]

So my buddy was talking about this article he read about one having to eat according to their blood type. Idk how much of true all that is but the short version of it came down to..."if you seen eating according to your blood type, it would be like running the wrong oil or gas grade in your vehicle" the vehicle motor won't work as efficient and give you a hard time or not work at all that's why people are always tired and get fat...since they aren putting the right fuel in their body...idk has anybody here about that before...I just add he's pretty freaking freaking built for his age 40+ years he is 6'2 250 pounds or muscle.


Torres

 

[derian06]

So my buddy was talking about this article he read about one having to eat according to their blood type. Idk how much of true all that is but the short version of it came down to..."if you seen eating according to your blood type, it would be like running the wrong oil or gas grade in your vehicle" the vehicle motor won't work as efficient and give you a hard time or not work at all that's why people are always tired and get fat...since they aren putting the right fuel in their body...idk has anybody here about that before...I just add he's pretty freaking freaking built for his age 40+ years he is 6'2 250 pounds or muscle.


Torres

I mean that could be the premise behind why some people do well with high fat, some do well with low carbs, some do fat with low protein ect. I personally do really well with high protein mod fat and low carb.