The Gun Control Debate - A Place for Your Perspective

[abearden]

Half the
people in the poll on Military.com said they would shoot us if we resisted the government. At least they said they would consider it a lawful order to shoot us if we forcibly resisted the government on something like gun confiscation. Hopefully never gets to that point.

Don't trust that website. They are very far to the left on everything.

If half of them said they would shoot, that means half wouldn't. If that's the "far left" count, I'm pretty happy about that. Half our military plus a acting core of gun owners would be more than enough to "correct" any trampling of the Constitution.

 

[deserth3]

Colorado House has passed the bills charging a fee for back ground checks. But worse the passed the bill limiting magazine size to 15 rounds.
The gun grabbers are gaining ground.

 

[Paladine71]

If half of them said they would shoot, that means half wouldn't. If that's the "far left" count, I'm pretty happy about that. Half our military plus a acting core of gun owners would be more than enough to "correct" any trampling of the Constitution.

The purpose of "polls" is more about telling people what to think than measuring what people are thinking. I've seen way too many of these things skewed to trust them. I've been in the military for more than two decades and only believe that a very minute few would target fellow Americans. The majority of the debate that I hear is disbelief at what the federal government is doing and suspicion based on it. We have families and friends too, after all, we are just like every other person except that we volunteer to take risks for the rest of our people. If this thing breaks down, I firmly believe that our military will do the right thing. That is probably why they are trying to arm the DHS folks, because they know that they can't get us to do it.

 

[Expendable]

regarding polls, surveys, etc. it is pretty much about skewing for a certain cause. in high school I took an AP (Advanced Placement; college level) Statistics class and you were shown multiple graphs of the same data and it was amazing to see the difference to how you reacted to them. the next year in high school I took AP Psychology in which reinforced some of the knowledge from the AP Statistics class as well as gave me some new and different insight into it.

Let's think generally. typical survey is of ~100 people. now is the survey for the country as a whole or a certain demographic? what region did you survey? You can't survey 100 people in california and accurately say that it represents the country. even 10,000 in california wouldn't. Surveys typically happen in more dense population areas. there is a lot more that can be skewed or used to advance one's initiative as you can see from a few questions I brought up regarding a survey (not any one in particular)

 

[Paladine71]

To all active or ex-military on the forum. It looks like the VA is sending some of us letters stating that they are evaluating our competence. If they deem you incompetent, you will be barred from owning a gun and ammo. I thought that it was BS too, until they posted up a scan of the letter. See the link: http://redflagnews.com/headlines/di...iving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition

 

[abearden]

Wow. Unbelievable. I read that with my mouth gaping open like a fish. I'm calling it now, some "dangerous" vets are going to go postal on them for unnecessarily taking their rights and benefits away, and then the VA/White House is going to point to it and say, "See?! Guns are bad."

Sunsets are usually pretty. Not this one. :no:

 

[f5moab]

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress....gistry-of-all-gunowners-in-u-s-border-states/

[h=1]Mexico wants a registry of all gunowners in U.S. border states[/h]

 

[Neo]

this is getting ridiculous, it almost seems like they are looking for a fight...:roll: next time someone goes postal i hope they go after a politician.

 

[f5moab]

I find it ironic that Mexico is upset that they finally figured out they have a porous border. They never cared about their people coming north for free healthcare, food stamps and jobs, but now they are upset about the guns going south. And they actually believe they are coming from the southern states' gun stores. Read that they estimate there are at least FOUR truckloads of military weapons, given to the Mexican government by our government, that have disappeared (i.e., stolen and sold to cartels).

 

[LagunaH1]

To all active or ex-military on the forum. It looks like the VA is sending some of us letters stating that they are evaluating our competence. If they deem you incompetent, you will be barred from owning a gun and ammo. I thought that it was BS too, until they posted up a scan of the letter. See the link: http://redflagnews.com/headlines/di...iving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition

The letter stated that their proposed ruling of incompetence for the person in question was based on evidence received from the VA Portland medical center on a particular date. -I don't know *anything* about the VA and how it works but I am real curious what the evidence is / was in this case. I think an awful lot of legitimacy of the letter depends on the specifics of the evidence they claim to have. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here but is it possible that someone really does have issues managing their money?

Does anyone know if the recipient of this letter likely was offered legal assistance by the VA? (again, please realize that I know nothing about how the VA works) It seems to me that anyone who is at the receiving end of something like this ought to have something like a public defender or some other form of legal counsel made available to them. I'd like to think that the evidence also would be made available to the person in question so they can disprove or challenge it

 

[DJinCO]

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress....gistry-of-all-gunowners-in-u-s-border-states/

Mexico wants a registry of all gunowners in U.S. border states

I believe that the Govt of Mexico (GOM) has figured out what they need to do to get more money from the US Govt. The GOM realizes that the US lawmakers are being pressured by the administration and is "embarrassed" by our evil guns. If GOM exploits that "shame" from the current crop of politicians GOM can turn it into payola.

GOM has really stepped up the pressure on USG to send money south. USG probably sends more money, weapons, aid, advisors, etc south in the name of "helping" GOM to eradicate the drug problem, than anyone realizes. Just wait until Canada gets on the bandwagon and asks for a gun free zone of 100 miles from the border.

I firmly believe that if we stopped sending our money and aid to Mexico, the crime problem would simply dry up from a lack of US Govt resources.

What has the US Govt ever stepped into that has improved?

When was the last time someone commented "wow, I am sure glad that we have ..........." (name your favorite government agency)

 

[abearden]

The letter stated that their proposed ruling of incompetence for the person in question was based on evidence received from the VA Portland medical center on a particular date. -I don't know *anything* about the VA and how it works but I am real curious what the evidence is / was in this case. I think an awful lot of legitimacy of the letter depends on the specifics of the evidence they claim to have. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here but is it possible that someone really does have issues managing their money?

Does anyone know if the recipient of this letter likely was offered legal assistance by the VA? (again, please realize that I know nothing about how the VA works) It seems to me that anyone who is at the receiving end of something like this ought to have something like a public defender or some other form of legal counsel made available to them. I'd like to think that the evidence also would be made available to the person in question so they can disprove or challenge it

While they may have a real issue, that is for a court to decide and not some panel from the VA. On top of that "respond in 60 days or we'll decide without you" is ridiculous.

 

[LagunaH1]

When was the last time someone commented "wow, I am sure glad that we have ..........." (name your favorite government agency)

Weell... Does NASA count? I'm glad we have NASA. I think they have done a good job fostering innovation and growth of many different technologies. I'm also pretty happy with the national weather service.... and the FAA....

 

[LagunaH1]

While they may have a real issue, that is for a court to decide and not some panel from the VA. On top of that "respond in 60 days or we'll decide without you" is ridiculous.

Agreed. That's why I was wondering what legal help, if any, was offered to the recipient of the letter. Like you, I don't like the "respond in 60 days or we'll decide without you" portion at all.

 

[DJinCO]

Weell... Does NASA count? I'm glad we have NASA. I think they have done a good job fostering innovation and growth ...

You say fostering, I say funding. Our tax dollars spent BILLIONS of dollars on the space race. Now look at all of the private companies trying to get in to space. Don't forget that we have also funded the GPS constellations so that we can locate a lost iPhone.

The National Weather Service. OK. I use a rock. If it's wet, that indicates rain. If the rock is covered in snow, it's snowing... Not to mention the local TV news or the infamous "Weather Channel".

The FAA. Yep, great regulations to keep the aviation industry from building aircraft that catch fire from lithium batteries... ooops, bad example. I guess the FAA is always first on the scene of aircraft crashes to tell us after a year of analysis that the crash was "pilot error".

I guess I am just fed up to my eyeballs with the idiotic waste in our federal government. If the government doesn't quit handing out cash, we will never get out of this hole. No offense meant to Serge.

 

[LagunaH1]

Don't forget that we have also funded the GPS constellations so that we can locate a lost iPhone.

Yep, GPS is a fantastic thing and hundreds of million of people benefit from it every day.

The National Weather Service. OK. I use a rock. If it's wet, that indicates rain. If the rock is covered in snow, it's snowing... Not to mention the local TV news or the infamous "Weather Channel".

I should double check this but I am pretty sure that it is the weather service who sends warning to local authorities when, for example, weather conditions are prime for wildfires. -I find that useful because it, amongst other things, allows volunteer organization (I belong to one) to deploy to, for example, local parks to watch for smoke and suspicious activity. Fires that are caught early are much easier to put out.

The FAA. Yep, great regulations to keep the aviation industry from building aircraft that catch fire from lithium batteries... ooops, bad example. I guess the FAA is always first on the scene of aircraft crashes to tell us after a year of analysis that the crash was "pilot error".

I'm pretty sure it is the NTSB that shows up to investigate accidents. The NTSB has no authority to implement rules, only the FAA has that. AFAIK it was the FAA who grounded the dreamliners when it became apparent that there were systemic problems with its batteries. To the best of my knowledge, the FAA stipulates safety rules more than anything. If a manufacturing process isn't considered unsafe then the FAA has no reason to regulate it. It is also the FAA who runs air traffic control which does a pretty good job at keeping planes from colliding in the skies.

 

[DJinCO]

Perhaps it is not the various agencies that go "bad" it is the administration of those agencies by the people who seem to have various agendas.

 

[MaxPF]

The letter stated that their proposed ruling of incompetence for the person in question was based on evidence received from the VA Portland medical center on a particular date. -I don't know *anything* about the VA and how it works but I am real curious what the evidence is / was in this case. I think an awful lot of legitimacy of the letter depends on the specifics of the evidence they claim to have. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here but is it possible that someone really does have issues managing their money?

The "evidence" is irrelevant in this case. The larger point is that a veteran's competency, and indeed his loss of constitutional rights, are being determined by a panel of government bureaucrats rather than a lawful judicial hearing. This is clearly a violation of his/her Fifth Amendment rights. If these bureaucrats decide against the veteran (which is likely a default position), he or she will lose the ability to manage their own money as well as owning a firearm. The veterans only recourse in this case would be to file a suit in court, but in all likelyhood a veteran in this position will not have the financial means to afford a good attorney. It's a nice little scam the VA is pulling on those who risked their ass for their country.

 

[3Hummers]

It is an absolute violation of their rights. A competency determination requires a judicial hearing with evidence presented to an impartial magistrate. This is beyond bizarre and clearly will be challenged legally. Who knows, maybe the ACLU will do something good for once.

 

[Hunner]

Posted on February 21, 2013 by John Pierce
Arkansas open carry bill has been filed

After Oklahoma passed open carry legislation last year, Arkansas became one of only six remaining states that completely ban the open carry of properly holstered handguns by law abiding citizens.

At least one of the other states, Texas, also has an open carry bill in the current legislative session. So it is good to see that Arkansas is taking action as well.

I thought all the cowboys in Texas holstered guns?

On another subject, constructed some new target boards. I feel threatened by anyone armed coming within 600 yds of me so I need something to use down range and I don't want to walk down there often so I made two and they stayed up in the wind today. Now if I could only see that far!
I made them so they break down to fit on my H3 rack.

 

[3Hummers]

I don't see any holes in them.

 

[Hunner]

I guess I need to practice?
There some since I shot that this afternoon.
I belong to a gun club 12 minutes from the house.

 

[Paladine71]

Did anyone see any news coverage of the 23rd's Day of Resistance? Looked like a complete media blackout to me. They certainly follow their marching orders...

 

[3Hummers]

None here in Commiefornia that I saw.

 

[ArtHummer]

We need more sheriffs like this.

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