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H3 High Clearance Leaf Spring Mounts

Schwarttzy

Schwarttzy

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Hey, guys hold for tomorrow because I'll shoot a video and show everything along with the using my torque wrench showing the foot pounds. I know that I would shoot a video of it and have been slacking. Just been busy making the little cash that I can with a websites lately. I'm more than confident with the part, and I have wheeled it with absolutely no problems so far. I worry way more about the parts I make than most would think, so much so that think I'm wrong or under looking something, but this part is proven in my books now. Hell, the company I work with has trouble bending the part with a fifty ton press. I think it is straight forward to bolt it on but maybe I underestimate just that. This is how ever aftermarket and the idea off factory is gonegone out the windo.. While I do my best to look factory with my parts, it it's anything but, and that is my goal to look factory but have so much more to it. There its a finesse to the parts I make, and you can're just bolt them on, take your time, call me of you have a question, I'll be not only grateful but excited to take your call. Hell, I'm the one that thought the part up and made it. Even if you haven't bought a part from me pm me and I'll talk to you about it. I know I'm young and it's something I have to deal with but come wheeling with me and you'll instantly know, ask around if you can't, because I know a thing or two about this sport.Anyway, I'm getting drunk at the bars in town right now and trying to forget how depressing this is for me to read, so I'll do my damnedest to get a video up tomorrow.
 
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Just one last post from me for now. I think some simple triangle gussets installed on each of the bent corners will remedy the all bending concerns. On the shock side, I would extend gusset to connect the shock brackets. I would also drop the shock bolt down to where the shock is only raised 1.5" max. I know your young, but realize you are doing a fantastic job but sometimes a revision needs to be made. Our first run experienced an issue in prototype phase where we had to lower shock as well, thus production versions were drastically different. Good luck and take care. Oh, don't drink too much! I hear it can make next day really bad;)
 
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tomp said:
Just one last post from me for now. I think some simple triangle gussets installed on each of the bent corners will remedy the all bending concerns. On the shock side, I would extend gusset to connect the shock brackets. I would also drop the shock bolt down to where the shock is only raised 1.5" max. I know your young, but realize you are doing a fantastic job but sometimes a revision needs to be made. Our first run experienced an issue in prototype phase where we had to lower shock as well, thus production versions were drastically different. Good luck and take care. Oh, don't drink too much! I hear it can make next day really bad;)
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Can you post an edited pic on where exactly reinforcements should be placed tomp? I'm gonna try to take them to my fab buddy so he can weld "support" in ASAP so I can get them on. Here's a pic , thanks

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Where do the supports need to be placed tomp? Can you show/tell me based on this pic? I'd like to go drop them off to my guy ASAP.
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I give you credit dude. I'm young also and have been questioned and criticized but not as much as you. Try and ask for the criticism and put the ego away. I try that and just take in as much info as possible. It's tough sometimes but practice helps. ;)
 
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Medic_Morgan said:
Where do the supports need to be placed tomp? Can you show/tell me based on this pic? I'd like to go drop them off to my guy ASAP.
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I think it is best to let Schwarttzy determine what is needed here. If it were me, I would add triangle pieces on each corner of the front of the plates to prevent the ends from bending upward. On the back where the shock mounts are, another triangle on opposite corner and then a gusset on the shock bracket side that also connects to that bracket so if it took an impact from a rock or vehicle was bottomed out hard, it wouldnt bend the shock bracket upward. I would also suggest for someone to disconnect axle and raise it up until it hits the jounce jumpers. This will help determine max height lower portion of shock can be raised. When we did this, I believe it was 1.5" but we allowed room for jounce jumper compression when vehicle was bottomed out hard.
 
Schwarttzy

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Well there is no easy way of saying this,

After spend pretty much all day looking at the design, bolting it on and off repeatedly, and looking at all the options I could think of, I have decided to ask that all of the three people who purchased the H3 High Clearance Leaf Spring Mounts from me to ship them back to me. I want to know that there isn't a single one out there with the old design. Also, I currently I have two sets in my garage unfinished and will be adding in the triangle idea to the design. This is however dependent on my laser cutter being able to quick cut the parts for me, but I'm betting that I can get the parts cut and have at least 2 if not 3 ready to ship not powder-coated Monday afternoon if you so wish. Otherwise it is no problem for me to get them powder-coated again but this obviously takes a bit more time and couldn't give an definite answer as to how long.

I haven't tested it yet, but I personally have the goal of the torque spec to be 63 foot-pounds on the U-Bolts which is factory spec according to the PDF file I have (and by the way I didn't realize but there is a drain plug in the bottom of the rear differential which means you can drain the fluid with out sucking it out or removing the differential cover, pretty cleaver of them if you ask me).

Finally there has been no adverse side-affects I've heard of yet, even with how brutal I am when wheeling, but I wish to not a single leave a single leaf unturned.

Comment here, PM me, E-mail using the form here, or call me on my cell at eight one five - 5th 1st 9th * twelve fifty two if you have any questions at all, because I would like to make take care of this as fast as I can.
 
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That^ sounds like a good approach that should remedy any bending concerns. Just a suggestion for next revision of new plates: Remove the square gusset between the two shock braces and move it over where is connects to the outside of the shock bracket. So if you are looking at H3 from the rear, move that square gusset over to the inside towards diff so it connects shock bracket to bracket that goes under spring pack. This will address that one corner, then you would only need three triangle gussets for other three corners. The reason I'm suggesting to move the square gusset is that those shock brackets need to bend (LOL, I know right...) so they tighten up against the metal bushing in the shock eye. You will notice this was by design in the OEM brackets & is there to eliminate rattling noises or lateral movement of the shock. Once that square gusset is moved over and welded in place, it will be an even stronger assembly than it is now because that corner can't bend upward and with the shock bolt in place, it clamps both shock braces together as one - essentially providing support to outer shock brace as was before with square gusset in between the two shock braces.
 
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cbetts

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I wanted to give myself a "cool-off" period before adding more to this thread. Sometimes I need to do this so I don't post something I will regret later.

First, let me just state that I am only a shade tree mechanic. I am able to do simple repairs. Anything major goes to my friend Anthony, who has owned a shop for about twenty years with only ASE certified mechanics working for him. Most of the crew have been there for many years. I trust their judgment when it come to any work done on my vehicles.

Normally, I would have sent a private message discussing issues such as this. However, there was a potential safety concern that needed to be addressed so I posted promptly. I realize that I am an early adopter and might have some issues to work out with the product.

Schwartzy, I commend you on your final decision. I was not expecting you to follow through with a redesign. I was planning on taking the plates to a local welding shop to have the added supports put in and post the results here.

My concerns of bending come from experience. For example, here are some before and after pics of my BA skids:

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Please don't get discouraged. You are filling a big void with your products. I am willing to be a guinea pig and help you though. I hope you understand that I just want everyone to be safe.

Please PM me with your mailing address so I can get these back to you. I ripped off all the labels off the box without thinking.

Thanks again!
 
Schwarttzy

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Got two sets of them weld up... haven't heard from the third guy yet but I'm not worried, I still need to clean the welds up along with the splatter, but it's getting late now. I hope to have them at the powder-coater tomorrow for you two guys. They seem significantly stronger now, but I haven't tested that yet.
 
Schwarttzy

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WOW I normally never get turn around times like this but the two sets are powder coated, I'll be picking them up today and double check the torque capability on the bolts.
 
Schwarttzy

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Alright two of them are shipping tomorrow, was able to torque the bolts down to 50 foot pounds like the factory specs. I'll work on uploading the video tomorrow too. Kind of bummed that the part gave me tough time bolting it on because the darn jack kept letting the Hummer back down.

Medic_Morgan -> I'll call you tomorrow, sorry about not answering the phone. Some days I like to detach myself from calling, texting, and what not.
 
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Medic_Morgan

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All I can say is dang Eric these are definitely BEEFY!!! Really impressed w/ your customer service bud and I'll for sure be a returning customer. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1354056233.542174.jpg


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